[Registered]

[EggsAckley]

Another pizza party in Temecula?

[Ex-Dem]

McClintock on H&C(Says He's Still In, Its Early, But Will Back Arnie if Otherwise Cruz Would Win)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/979993/posts

[cake_crumb]

Yes, it was really enlightening that he said he'd never drop out to keep Cruz or Grey out of office even if he were 20 points behind Arnie right before the election.

A real leader doesn't hand the office he hoped to win to the enemy if it lookes like he cant win it for himself after all. I'm not bringing McClintock's name up as a viable candidate anymore.

[joesnuffy]

Ahnold cannot debate...because English is a second language to him...
and everybody knows it.....His inability to speak (apart from a well rehearsed script) would be his downfall among more skillfull english speakers...he would appear foolish..

Which is of course unfair....but given Ahnolds ruthlessness in prior competitions..would be also be a good comeupance

While debate does for the most part favor the glib...it is still a good way to bring
the issues of the day in front of the public and learn of the candidate's stances

Regardless..Ahnold is not conservative on the important issues..but will claim to be in order to get elected - imo

He has reversed himself and taken McClintock's views on the issues McClintock has raised..Ahnold knows these are the things real conservative are concerned with..
and wants those votes...needs those votes..

after elected..imo... he will go the way of the liberal that he is and those he hangs with...

Of course the other choice is Bustamante....basically screwed either way..

Ahnolds entry into this election instead of his supporting McClintock pretty much proves he isnt as concerned with Ca. conservatism or the Republican Party.. as he is ..his own "lifetime achievment" imo

If Ahnold was real he would be campaigning for Tom instead of himself

[Cicero]

McClintock uses the term "social issues" because he doesn't want to offend any more voters than he can help. But it's clear enough what he means.

Arnold is fervently in favor of killing babies.

Arnold would support the march of gay rights and probably cave on such issues as gay marriage.

In addition, as McClintock says more explicitly, Arnold would cave on raising taxes.

The Republican pros have put forward a whole series of RINO losers in California, and they continue to drive away their own voting base. Maybe they should look at the last election, where the pro-life position was a winner in almost all the races. Arnold won't draw a single pro-abortion vote with his pro-abortion position, because these folks always vote Democrat no matter what.

[Dan from Michigan]

Bottom line is this. NOBODY is entitled to a vote.

If Cruz wins, it's not because so and so didn't drop out. It's because Arnold or TomM couldn't get the other votes. Instead of Ahnold's backers whining about Tom, maybe they need to go out and tell Arnold's crew to earn the backing of McClintock backers by supporting the right policies.

And on the same note McClintock should be getting his word out as well. Arnold is not ENTITLED to the votes of the other backers, and neither is McClintock for that matter.

This sense of entitlement is ridiculous.

[Revolting cat!]

And what if, hypothetically, you unnestan, he had been hired by the RATS to do this?! A sleeper RAT, in other words.

[Weimdog]

"But McClintock told Fox News he doesn't need Schwarzenegger to pursue these changes and said Schwarzenegger's most popular budget ideas where his in the first place"

Bwahahahahahaha

My toys and you can't play with them.

As if no one has ever thought of these basic conservative ideas. What a load.

[SpyGuy]

Ok, I'll throw something out for comment that I noticed yesterday following Ueberroth's drop from the election.

The lamestream news was saying that McClintock should likewise drop out, otherwise he would be Arnold's spoiler, thus causing BustaMEChA to be elected.

Now, we all know that the lamestream media is controlled by the Left, particularly in California where it is the official propaganda machine of the Demoncratic Party. So why would they be wringing their hands over McClintock spoiling Schwarzenegger's campaign and BustaMEChA winning?

Question to Arnold supporters: is the light coming on yet?

This is the CA Demoncrat machine trying to select the candidate they want to face in the recall (just like the Dems did in the last election). McClintock has a real message, has real solutions, and has real experience. I also doubt that the Dems have any dirt they can use to smear McClintock (which is the Dems favorite campaign tactic). On the other hand, the Dems know that Schwarzenegger is just riding on his star power. He may be popular in the polls due to his name recognition, but will that be enough to energize people to go to the polls and vote for him? I suspect not. Furthermore, it is obvious that the Dem dirt machine is going to unload heaps of crap on Schwarzenegger late in the campaign (after getting McClintock to drop out, if they can) to further suppress Arnold's poll popularity.

[Revolting cat!]

Looser!

[CatoRenasci]

I heard McQuixote on Hannity's radio show and, while I agree with him on many issues, he really turned me off. He sounded like every other politician and couldn't bring himself to remember Ronald Reagan's 11th commandment: Thou Shalt Not Speak Ill of Another Republican.

I did not like what I heard. Too arrogant, to much Me Me Me. All he's going to do is ensure MeChA MeChA MeCha.

I'm a native Californian. As much as I agree with the conservative positions, his tone is just unelectable in California. Folks, the moderates will never vote for him, and you just can't win in California without the independent 'moderate' vote. That's been true since the early 1960's and it's what killed Knowland in '58 against Pat Brown, Nixon in '62 against Pat Brown, worked for Reagan in '66 and '70, for Junior Brown in '74 and '78, etc., on through Davis last year.

Doesn't anyone on FR have any perspective on California politics over the past 50 years? The lack of understanding is amazing. Conservatives in California have been shooting themselves in their feet for decades. And Tom McQuixote is just the latest one. Sad.

[longshot1980]

Some lesser-known talkers (Hugh Hewitt especially, from what I hear on his show) have truly begun to villify McClintock for not being a good obedient Republican and stepping aside for the Big Ahnuld Machine.

L.A. drive-time chatters John and Ken (http://www.johnandkenshow.com) challenged a caller to go to joinarnold.com/en/agenda and pick out the aspect of Arnold's agenda that he didn't like. The caller seemed to have a hard time, but I didn't: http://www.joinarnold.com/en/agenda/arnoldsviews.php#F1

The man wants the federal government to pay the extra cost of imprisoning illegal aliens in American prisons?! Give me a break! We should "move on" from Prop. 187, which was approved by an overwhelming voter margin then lynched in the courts by a left-wing judge with NO APPEAL?

It is blatantly clear that a vote for either Bustamante or Schwarzenegger is a vote for alien amnesty, which in turn is a vote for more crime, more illegal drugs, poorer schools, more closed hospitals, more disease, further wreckage for the environment, and the continuation of the rapidly accelerating decline in quality of life for all Californians.

If dimbulbs like Hugh Hewitt, John Kobylt and Ken Chiampou would show a little support for the lone candidate capable of doing some true good for the state, rather than being hypnotized by Ahnuld-mania, McClintock would win by a healthy margin.

And it doesn't matter who the governor of California is; the hatred here for George W. Bush is absolutely incredible, and it would take a miracle for him to win this state in '04. Ahnuld alone won't be able to do it for him. Call me a pessimist if you want, but I actually live here and work amongst these socialist morons in L.A.

[Duramaximus]

"McClintock told Fox News he disagrees with Schwarzenegger on a range of social issues and remains deeply suspicious about his commitment to fiscal reforms and holding the lid on taxes."

Arnold Schwarzenegger's views, in his own words:

Pro Gun Control

• "I'm for gun control. I'm a peace-loving guy." (Time magazine cover story, Aug 18, 2003) When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger admitted that he is for gun control. He said he supported both the Brady Bill and the ban on so-called "assault weapons." He said, "Also I would like to close the loophole of the gun shows." When asked by the Sacramento Bee to detail his positions on gun issues (scroll down), Arnold stated that he supports legislation to ban .50-caliber rifles, force gun buyers to pass a state-defined test in order to purchase a handgun, and require load indicators or magazine safety disconnects on new semiauto handguns.
• Pro Abortion
  Schwarzenegger appeared on FoxNews' "Bill O'Reilly" program in May 2001 and said he disagreed with President Bush's pro-life position. "I'm for choice," Schwarzenegger said on the program. "The women should have the choice. The women should decide what they want to do with their bodies. I'm all for that." When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger admitted again that he is "pro-choice".
• Pro Gay Agenda
  From Cosmopolitan magazine, "I have no sexual standards in my head that say this is good or this is bad. Homosexual-that only means to me that he enjoys sex with a man and I enjoy sex with a woman. It's all legitimate to me." He also supports gay adoption, despite the fact that both conservative Republicans and moderate Democrats voted by a 61 percent margin for Proposition 22, the Defense of Marriage Initiative, which defined marriage as that between a man and a woman. (Newsmax, 28 July 2003)
  When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger admitted that he is for legalized "domestic partnerships" which would give gay couples the same benefits as marriage.
• Pro Big Government Programs
  Regarding the passage of Proposition 49, a big government social scheme providing funds for after school programs: "Every California child deserves access to a proven, quality, life-changing afterschool program, and now they will have it. My hope is that, as goes California, so goes the rest of our nation." When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger said that he believes that social programs should be focused on children. He said, "I think the important thing, again, is that we work on education and really make sure that the kids have the first run at our treasury."
  In the same interview with Hannity, Schwarzenegger said that he supports big government programs to buy back leases as a measure to protect the environment. He said, "I think that our state government and our federal government should negotiate to buy back the leases [from the oil companies.]"
  
• Pro Environmentalist Agenda
  When a reporter asked him in early August to detail his positions on the environment, he said "I will fight for the environment. Nothing to worry about." When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger said he did not support offshore oil drilling. He said, "No, absolutely not. I think that we should stop the oil drilling and I think that our state government and our federal government should negotiate to buy back the leases [from the oil companies.]"
  
• Pro Clinton/Anti Impeachment
  In 1999, Schwarzenegger told George magazine of his bitterness about the frenzy over Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton and the waste of time and energy it represented. "That was another thing I will never forgive the Republican Party for," he said. "I was ashamed to call myself a Republican during that period."
  
• Soft on Illegal Immigration
  In a radio interview with KABC radio host Larry Elder on August 27th, Schwarzenegger said that allowing illegal immigrants to stay in the United States is "the right thing to do." Last year, while campaigning for his Prop. 49 after-school programs initiative, Schwarzenegger...declared in answer to a question from the audience: "I would never stand in the way of any child going to school, whether he or she is here legally or illegally, it does not matter." (Sacramento Bee, 24 August)
• Proposition 54
  Proposition 54 outlaws the racial boxes Californians are constantly asked to check on state forms. Apply to a state college or enroll a child in a public school, try to get married, seek employment with any city or county, interact in any one of countless ways with the state or its political subdivisions, and you will be asked question about your race. Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger, who previously refused to take a position on the measure, said Saturday he opposed it. Schwarzenegger, speaking to Spanish language station KUVS-TV in Sacramento, said he believes "it is necessary to collect racial data for use in such fields as health and education." "If you take that out, it will be disastrous," he said. FOX News, 08, August
  
  Justin Jones, a spokesman for the Proposition 54 campaign, said he attended an invitation-only event for Schwarzenegger on Saturday at a Sacramento hotel. As the actor was moving through the room shaking hands, Jones said, he approached him in an attempt to make a short pitch for Proposition 54, but was interrupted before he could identify himself or say what side of the issue he was on.
  Jones said Schwarzenegger explained that he had studied the measure and determined it was a "no-brainer" to oppose it.
  Schwarzenegger went on to say he believed it important that public schools be able to identify minority children to help "bring them up to the starting line. And if the right-wing crazies have a problem with that, so be it." Ventura County Star
• SB60
  SB60, which Davis signed Friday and touted over the weekend as he campaigned before a Latino audience in Los Angeles, poses grave security threats and undermines existing immigration laws, according to opponents who vowed to place the matter on the March 2004 ballot. The driver's license bill has become a rallying point for both sides in the recall campaign, which increasingly is focusing on immigration and racial issues. Many Republicans charge that Davis' support for the bill, after vetoing similar measures, is a desperate attempt to bolster his support in the Latino community. A Schwarzenegger spokesman said the actor will not support the referendum campaign but will seek other other ways to repeal the legislation. San Francisco Chronicle
  

VOTE TOM McCLINTOCK

[Enough is ENOUGH]

Arnold may not have a chance of winning if voters make the same mistake on the ballot as one radio caller made. Caller on an LA radio station said he voted for the wrong Schwartz..... Click

Or George B. Schwartzman, the nonpartisan owner of a medical services company in San Diego, who wants junk food removed from public schools.

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[jwh_Denver]

He'll quit the race. If a politician says something expect the opposite.

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[mbraynard]

I don't think that McClintock should drop out because the Ds are going to pull a very hard, very nasty, very devestating "late hit" on Arnold, probably the Thursday before the election, and with no McClintock the Rs will not be left with a viable candidate in the race.

So please, do not think that us McClintock supporters necessarily would prefer to fall on their swords than suffer having a left winger representing their party.

And lets carry this one further - maybe it's the Rs supporting Arnold who are being short-sighted. What would you rather have - a clean shot at Cruz in 06, or having to defend the failure that Arnold will become in 06? Better blow it for Arnold now, teach the establishment we will not be taken for granted, and watch the state burn for a few years and elect a true R, than have to apologize for the inevitable deadlock between Arnold and the hippie legislature and march into battle with an aging, no longer novel Terminator in 06? With Cruz as Gov, W might even pick up the state in 04.

So again, before you you go calling McC people stupid, maybe you Arnold sell-outs should reconsider your own position.