Bush-"Use Of U.S. Strength" Doesn't Cause Terror; Powell-Use Of Israeli Strength Does Cause Terror

ZOA ^ | September 8, 2003

[yonif]

NEW YORK- The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) has condemned the statement by Secretary of State Colin Powell suggesting that Israel's actions cause Palestinian Arab children to grow up to be terrorists.

Speaking on the ABC News program "This Week" on September 7, 2003, Secretary Powell, who supports American assassinations of Bin Laden terror leaders and aides to Saddam Hussein, condemned Israeli assassinations of Hamas terrorist leaders who have murdered hundreds of Israelis and Americans. He said: "To kill one Hamas leader, but wound 9 children or 10 children in the course of this, who will grow up to become Hamas leaders or Hamas killers later, they have to consider the long-term consequences of this policy."

Powell's statement directly contravenes President Bush's national address on the same day, in which he said: "We have learned that terrorist attacks are not caused by the use of strength. They are invited by the perception of weakness. And the surest way to avoid attacks on our own people is to engage the enemy where he lives and plans."

ZOA National President Morton A. Klein said: "President Bush says terrorism is not caused by the use of American strength; Secretary Powell says terrorism is caused by the use of Israeli strength. President Bush says America must fight the terrorists 'where they live'; Secretary Powell says that Israel must not fight terrorists where they live. These contradictions indicate that the Bush administration has a disturbing double standard when it comes to Israel's fight against terror.

"It is appalling that Secretary Powell is saying Israel's actions cause Palestinian Arab children to grow up to be Hamas terrorists. Arab children grow up to be terrorists because the Palestinian Authority's school system teaches them hatred of Jews and glorification of violence--a school system that Secretary Powell has never demanded be changed. If Secretary Powell wants to prevent Palestinian Arab children from being raised as killers, he should suspend the Bush administration's $215-million in annual aid to the Palestinian Arabs until the change their schools. America does not refrain from killing Bin Laden leaders for fear that children nearby might be wounded and then grow up to be terrorists. America does not refrain from killing aides to Saddam Hussein because children nearby might be wounded might grow up to be Saddam Hussein supporters. Likewise, Israel should not refrain from killing Hamas mass murderers."

[Blood of Tyrants]

yonif, I keep telling you, this is the work of Lucifer. He is setting himself up as the great negotiator of peace. Don't belive it. He is, after all, the ruler of the air and the land and the father of lies.

[spam_bank]

I don't see what the problem is. American interests don't coincide with Israeli interests. We want peace (or relative peace) in the Middle East to ensure the oil supply. What Israel wants is and should treated as a secondary consideration. Anyone in the government thinking otherwise should look in the mirror and ask themselves which country they owe their allegiance to.

[sheik yerbouty]

Powell must be his messenger..

[Roughneck]

: "To kill one Hamas leader, but wound 9 children or 10 children in the course of this, who will grow up to become Hamas leaders or Hamas killers later, they have to consider the long-term consequences of this policy."

Dear Mr Powell,

That can be solved easily: dont just "wound" them and they wont have a chance to be hamas leaders

[putupon]

Looks like a couple of old frat brothers meeting at a reunion.

[yonif]

Of course Israel and America do not have the same interests in every arena of policy. However, in the arena of fighting terrorism, they do.

[Almondjoy]

Uh.. they are just children.. so I guess you agree with 9/11 as well then? What will take for morons like yourself to get it? Children are children no matter where you find them. Ok now that we have established the fact the you have no understanding of the situation I will address the further comments from other people.

To the rest of you. I agree that what Israel is doing is right but without drawing the conclusions that so many people seem to illogically come up with, Powell is right. Are we going into cities and knocking off Al-Qaeda leaders while killing or wounding scores of women and children? Well there is Iraq and there is Afghanstan. But, there are so many huge differences between what we did and what Israel is doing. In Iraq and Afghanstan the majority of people viewed us as liberators. We were freeing them from oppressive reigems. Israel isn't freeing anyone from anybody.. they are simply defending themselves.

The real arguement is whether or not these wounded kids and how the Palestian people view it really matters or not anyways. In reality their society already breeds terrorists. In my opinion it's not the retaliation that Israel brings to the terrorities that will produce the next generation of terrorists in these(and to inflate the numbers) areas by the hundreds but it will be the likes of Hamas and Islamic Jihad that push their view(we will sacrafice the blood of our sons and daughters to kill the infidels) that is the undoing of their own society and breeds the terrorists by the tens of thousands.

The sad part is that a 5 year old killed in the U.S., or a 5 year old killed in Israel, or a 5 year old killed from any Arab state is still a tragedy.

[goldstategop]

Colon Bowell's stupidity and double standard strikes again!

[TopQuark]

We were freeing them from oppressive reigems. Israel isn't freeing anyone from anybody.. they are simply defending themselves.

Please read and rethink what has been said all along: We invaded Iraq as part of the war on terror. We are defending ourselves.

As a BYPRODUCT, we made some people happy --- namely, those that were oppressed by Saddam. That's all.

Israel is also defending itself. When they kill a Hamas leader, some Arabs are happy too (those whome Hamas terrorises as well, and those mothers who worry about losing their chidren to brainwashing). You do not hear that because Israel has not invaded as we did. Israel is not in power in those areas, and people will not speak against Hamas.

Whatever you think of the second part, do not be under an illusion that we went in to liberate Iraq or Afghanistan: we went in to defend ourselves.

[ThinkDifferent]

American interests don't coincide with Israeli interests.

Even if this is true, and I disagree, the fact remains that Bush and Powell have made contradictory and irreconcilable statements. Who's right?

[missyme]

WHy don't we just take over some of the Oil interests in the region and pay the Arabs for what oil we use so they may have a fruitful flourishing life, only we will be the ones in charge of oil. It seems like we took over Indian land, by force just like we have in Iraq, and we negoitiated with them regarding there soveringnty, there ability to run casinos and there ability to govern there
people, maybe this would work in Iraq then we wouldn't have to kiss every Arabs butt for there oil.

[festus]

Bush is right. If he'd just get rid of the ninnies in the way here and clean house there.

There is a simple solution to the mideast terrorist problem but its bloody and many lack the will even after 9-11.

[Almondjoy]

Sigh... you are absoutely correct.. but you miss the point. We DID liberate the people.. the majority of people felt that we were doing them a service. That is not the same with the Pali's... the majority continue to feel oppressed.. not liberated by Israel's actions.

[Almondjoy]

I think you forgot the "sarcasm off" at the end of your post.

[Susannah]

The continuous shrinking of Israeli lands has been going on far too long. Israelis should have not allowed the Palis back into Israel after they fled prior to the Arab plans to crush Israel.

Israelis allow a variety of religions in their territory, while Palis are exclusive.

Follow the below link for a map history of Palestine and Israel. The glorified United Nations totally failed for decades.
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

[TopQuark]

I am afraid it is you who missed the point. Nobody is responsible for someone else's feeling -- you sound like a product of recent public education. Feelings are internal, largely unknowable, and based on multitude of factors. If you are frurstrated with how much, or little, you've accomplished in life and direct that agner at your employer or neighbor --- that does not mean the connection deserves even another look.

Arabs have attacked Israel. Repeatedly. Those who lived in Palestine followed the urges of the Arab gov'ts and military to leave their homes as convenience (a quick defeat of Israel was expected). The land of Palestinian Arabs is Jordan. The "occupied" territories were a part of Jordan --- and nobody called them occupied then. These Arabs, led by Arafat, tried to overthrow the Jordanian gov't (which is when a fwe TENS of thousands were killed, and Arafat's thugs invaded Lebanon and then destroyed that jewel of a country). Jordanian king subsequently declared that he does not want that land.

How is this territory "occupied?" Why should Israel act as a liberator? From whom? To liberate, Israel must invade (as i pointed out in the previous post) and replace the PA --- would the world tolerate this?

As you can see, the situation has nothing in common with our invasion of Iraw, which you seem to misunderstand as well. But that New Age nonsense about "feelings" makes you a really confused puppy, my friend.

[Roughneck]

Because I ACKNOWLEDGE that palestinians raise their children to be Terrorists - that indeed, they are a TERRORISTIC - WARRIOR people, does not mean I agree with 9-11!

It's thse who do not acknowledge FACTS that agree with terrorism. Those who apologize for terrorists - terrorist who HIDE behind children. Those children WILL GROW UP TO BE TERRORISTS. Better they not live at all.

These children WILL grow up, they WILL kill Israels children, they will kill MY children, AMERICAN CHILDREN. I dont hear any of you apologists worried about THEM!

[Roughneck]

PS almondjoy:

I do not appreciate your personal attack. I did NOT call YOU a moron.

Personal attacks are an indication of a VERY small mind.

[dennisw]

Israelis don't have to be allowed to be killed so you can get your daily dose of oil and gas. Terrorists only understand firmness and firepower. Same for Islamic nations. You act weak and wimpy with them and they will take advantge of you. And the USA. And Israel.