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Did a search to keep the "already posted" brigade happy.
1 posted on 08/26/2003 1:56:45 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: JDoutrider
Another Hack attack.
2 posted on 08/26/2003 1:58:32 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: JDoutrider
Kind of reminds me of my daddy's stories of his third tour in Viet Nam when the officers would all nominate each other for valor awards for a leg up during the inevitable post-war demob reductions. However, heroes, even made-up heroes, keep people from thinking about what actually is going on, particularly if the hero is PC-pretty.
(This isn't meant as a criticism of the war: I promised myself I'd refrain from that as long as U.S. soldiers were engaged there. But this Lynch thing has all the contrived hallmarks of rah-rah propaganda.)
4 posted on 08/26/2003 2:03:09 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: JDoutrider
Where awards are concerned, the real burden of pride or shame is on the person who chooses, or chooses not, to wear it.

L.B. Johnson's silver star

Jeremy Michael Boorda's "V"

(my own good conduct medal....)

5 posted on 08/26/2003 2:04:14 PM PDT by dogbrain ("Life is hard son. It's harder if you're stupid.")
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Hack has a difficulty these days! This is not the first time the BSM with Combat V has been awarded under interesting circumstances. Vietnam Vets can spin all sorts of stories about misapplication of this decoration. That doesn't make it right, but it is not a new story. It will happen again I am certain!
7 posted on 08/26/2003 2:07:22 PM PDT by NavyCaptain
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It does kinda reek, when you think of Shoshauna Johnson, who was in worse shape. Wonder what happened to her medals?
What about the other POWs? The one's who lived and died?
Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it?
I say, Purple Heart, okay, she did get injured during the ambush, POW medal, okay, she was a POW, but a bronze star is a big deal. For our efforts during Desert Strike, which were long and tedious hours, our units got an Outstanding Unit Award with Valor, which I proudly wear.
8 posted on 08/26/2003 2:11:49 PM PDT by proud2serve (Sometimes you have to reconnect the brain stem to the vocal chords.... Think before you speak)
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From my corner, at least; it has been entirely the press that built her up, and now is tearing her down.
9 posted on 08/26/2003 2:12:22 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: JDoutrider
since apparently more than half of the women deployed to Iraq are now pregnant.

Is that correct? BTW, giving her a bronze star is nothing compared to other deals. There were entire brigades in Gulf War 1 where every single officer got a silver star, just for being in the war. Jessica did more to get her bronze star than most of those officers did to get a silver one. But back to the reason I responded, what's your source for the pregnant thing? I don't doubt it, I could just use the source in an ongoing debate with someone.

10 posted on 08/26/2003 2:12:52 PM PDT by thatdewd
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oops, I thought this was a vanity. Never mind the source request.
11 posted on 08/26/2003 2:14:00 PM PDT by thatdewd
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since apparently more than half of the women deployed to Iraq are now pregnant.

A guaranteed ride home.

12 posted on 08/26/2003 2:14:15 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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??I wonder whether there's evidence of sexual assault, the kind of stuff the service will keep to itself, that elevates her status??
14 posted on 08/26/2003 2:15:54 PM PDT by aShepard
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To: JDoutrider
I usually put on my bravo sierra boots when reading anything by Hackworth, but with this one I have to say he is spot on with his assesment.
15 posted on 08/26/2003 2:16:57 PM PDT by Khurkris (Ranger On...)
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To: JDoutrider; anniegetyourgun; All
Did a search to keep the "already posted" brigade happy.

I know you did, and thanks for finding this for us.

Another "Hack attack" is right. I've got my own beef with Hacked-off, and he's running right along the profile.

A few of my fellows in the Guard talked about PFC Lynch getting decorated. We all agreed on the Purple Heart, and the POW Medal; those were givens. I argued for the Bronze Star, as opposed to something higher; her actions didn't warrant more.

I pointed out the exploits of 'Nam POW's, who resisted the Cong while behind the wire. Actions of a faithful troop under interrogation are no less valorous than someone facing incoming lead.

I concluded that, for courage while NOT under fire, but under duress, Lynch might well qualify for the Bronze Star, for resisting her captors.

My 60 pesos...

18 posted on 08/26/2003 2:23:17 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Serving You... on Operation Noble Eagle!)
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If she was awarded the Bronze Star with V device....this is wrong..
Hack is right
And the GIs in the fight have been delt a another kick in the testicles by the perfumed princes..
and the Dacowitch allies
20 posted on 08/26/2003 2:29:01 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: JDoutrider
Hack has a point.

"And that's the root of the problem. The elevation of Jessica to Joan of Arc status is to recruit more women, even though thousands of female soldiers couldn't deploy with their units to Iraq because of pregnancy, no sitters for single moms' multiple kids and other problems."

But I have to say, in regards to the above statement, he doesn't get any cool points for seemly generalizing female soldiers, and by not mentioning ANY of the hard working women out there who are also busting their asses for this country without any complaints, and who are not concocting reasons to come home early like some other soldiers are doing (and have done) ....and that is to include male soldiers as well.

22 posted on 08/26/2003 2:31:19 PM PDT by KineticKitty (We support our troops...as long as what they say/do fits our preconceived notions?)
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Did a search to keep the "already posted" brigade happy.

Ya done good. ;-)

23 posted on 08/26/2003 2:31:47 PM PDT by TomServo ("It says that one time this big lobster came and attacked a lady, but Mr. Ed saved her.")
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Ping...
24 posted on 08/26/2003 2:32:42 PM PDT by TomServo ("It says that one time this big lobster came and attacked a lady, but Mr. Ed saved her.")
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Extreme pettiness, from the Primadonna Brass.
29 posted on 08/26/2003 2:39:40 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Our enemies within are very slick, but slime is always treacherously slick, isn't it?)
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Lynch received a "slick" Bronze Star, i.e. no V device for valor (in other words merit, not heroism).

Bronze Star Medal

Criteria: a. The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the military of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States; while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

b. Awards may be made for acts of heroism, performed under circumstances described above, which are of lesser degree than required for the award of the Silver Star.

c. Awards may be made to recognize single acts of merit or meritorious service. The required achievement or service while of lesser degree than that required for the award of the Legion of Merit must nevertheless have been meritorious and accomplished with distinction.

The Bronze Star ranks 15th in order of precedence on a list of 31 U.S. military decorations, according to the Army. Since World War II, 1,176,241 Bronze Star medals have been awarded. In Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan, 1,224 Bronze Star medals were awarded. Updated totals for Operation Iraqi Freedom have not been calculated.*

Details of Report Point to Leadership Failures

El Paso Times

Lt. Gen. James B. Peake, the U.S. Army surgeon general, presented the award and spoke briefly to Lynch's family and gathered military personnel.

Peake said the Purple Heart is awarded to a person who has given more to his or her country than just service.

``They have given of themselves by going into harm's way,'' he said. ``The Bronze Star is given for meritorious service in combat and the POW Medal is one that very few people receive.''

Other members of Lynch's unit who were injured and held captive also received medals during a July 4 ceremony at Fort Bliss, Texas.

Borderland    Thursday, July 3, 2003

Fort Bliss awards medals to 13 'heroes'

507th, MPs honoredLaura Cruz
El Paso Times

Mark Lambie / El Paso Times
Gen. Larry R. Ellis pinned the Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Prisoner of War medals on Spc. Edgar Hernandez while Spc. Shoshana Johnson waited for the same Wednesday at Fort Bliss. Spc. James R. Grubb, right, also received a Bronze Star.




Soldiers honored

The 507th Maintenance Company was traveling toward Baghdad in a convoy on March 23 when the soldiers were ambushed near Nasiriyah. Nine soldiers were killed, six were taken prisoner and four were wounded. These soldiers were honored for their actions in combat:

  • Spc. Shoshana Johnson, 30, of El Paso received the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and the Prisoner of War Medal.

  • Pfc. Patrick Miller, 23, of Wichita, Kan., received the Silver Star, the Purple Heart and the Prisoner of War Medal.

  • Sgt. Matthew Rose, 37, of Salem, Ore., received the Bronze Star with Valor Device.

  • Sgt. James Riley, 31, of Pennsauken, N.J., received the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and the Prisoner of War Medal.

  • Sgt. Curtis Campbell, 27, of Brooklyn, N.Y., received the Bronze Star.

  • Spc. Joseph Hudson, 23, of Alamogordo received the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and the Prisoner of War Medal.

  • Spc. Edgar Hernandez, 22, of Mission, Texas, received the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and the Prisoner of War Medal.

  • Spc. James Grubb, 21, of Manchester, Ky., received the Bronze Star.

  • Cpl. Francis Carista, 21, of Rahway, N.J., received the Purple Heart.

    June 4, two soldiers from the 76th Military Police Battalion came under fire and received shrapnel wounds while in a Humvee on a routine patrol mission in support of the 4th Infantry Division north of Baghdad.

  • Pfc. Candice May, 21, of Winter Haven, Fla., received the Purple Heart.

  • Spc. Alan Raymond Hill, 20, of Dunseith, N.D., received the Purple Heart.

    June 5, soldiers from the 76th Military Police Battalion came under fire and two soldiers received shrapnel wounds defending a water plant in Balad, Iraq.

  • Pfc. Jeremy Bristol, 21, of McKinney, Texas, received the Purple Heart.

  • Spc. Pedro Rodriguez, 22, of El Paso received the Purple Heart.
The ground rattled and hearts burst with pride Wednesday as 75 mm howitzers thunderously declared Fort Bliss' commemoration of the birth of the United States with a 50-gun salute.

The Army post also honored 13 of its soldiers who distinguished themselves in action in Iraq.

"For 228 years, American soldiers have answered the call to free the oppressed and light the path to freedom," said Gen. Larry R. Ellis, Forces Command's commanding general, before an audience of about 300 at Fort Bliss' annual Fourth of July celebration at Memorial Circle.

"Every generation has its heroes, and this one is no different," Ellis said. "These men and women are soldiers who set aside their personal safety. They risked their lives and suffered much to save Iraqi citizens ... (and) their heroism demands our respect and reminds us of our soldiers who are still overseas."

Under a blazing July sun, the 13 soldiers -- nine members of the 507th Maintenance Company and four members of the 76th Military Police Battalion -- stood at attention as, one by one, they received some of the nation's most prestigious awards for their actions in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

The soldiers who fought to the last bullet and risked their lives to protect comrades were awarded Bronze Stars, Purple Hearts and Prisoner of War medals. Pfc. Patrick Miller, of the 507th, received the Silver Star Medal, the nation's fourth-highest award for bravery.

According to the military, the Silver Star is awarded to a soldier who is "cited for gallantry in action against an enemy of the United States while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force."

The maintenance company, which suffered some of the heaviest losses of any unit in Iraq, was traveling toward Baghdad in a convoy when the soldiers were ambushed March 23 near Nasiriyah. Nine soldiers were killed, six were taken prisoner and four were wounded.

Fort Bliss officials said Miller was in the rear of the convoy and manually fed rounds into the chamber of his weapon to protect two fellow soldiers. When captured, Miller, who had radio frequencies written inside his helmet, told his Iraqi captors that the highly sensitive numbers were the prices for water pumps.

Spc. Shoshana Johnson, who was shot in the ankle, was steadied by Ellis as he presented her awards -- the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and the Prisoner of War Medal. Her father, Claude Johnson, said he was happy to see his daughter recognized.

"I'm not just proud of Shona, I'm proud of everybody," he said. "These guys did tremendous things. Somehow, you feel that it is not fair that everybody's not getting the same thing. There're (soldiers still in Iraq) risking their lives as well."

Spc. Edgar Hernandez, who received the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and the Prisoner of War Medal, proudly presented his awards to his new wife and his family, who arrived Tuesday afternoon from Alton, Texas, for the ceremony.

"I think all of the soldiers deserved the recognition because they made such large sacrifices," said Hernandez's father, Jose, who celebrates his birthday July 4.

"It's not only my day of birth but the birth of the United States," he said. "We thank God for that day because it is a great day for all of the nation."

Laura Cruz may be reached at lcruz@elpasotimes.com


32 posted on 08/26/2003 3:06:57 PM PDT by optimistically_conservative
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To all you whiners complaining of Jessica's medals: This has been going on with Bronze Stars since Vietnam (40 some years), why is it all of a sudden an issue with you? Why have you never complained before about it? You people have another agenda and are using this issue for political purposes.
33 posted on 08/26/2003 3:07:54 PM PDT by #3Fan
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"This was probably the first incident in U.S. military history in which an American soldier was awarded our country's fourth-highest ground-fighting award for being conked out and off the air throughout a fight."

It may be true that it is the first time someone received the BSM for unconciousness but it certainly isn't the first time the medal has been given out cavalierly. And Hackworth knows it.
During Vietnam there was a terrible inflation of the bestowing of medals. One example of which, I'm sure, was the French-looking John Kerry.
36 posted on 08/26/2003 3:14:57 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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