Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Moore Vows to Continue Fight for Ten Commandments
CNSNews.com ^ | August 21, 2003 | Robert B. Bluey

Posted on 08/21/2003 4:38:28 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-86 next last
To: sinkspur
IF YOU UNDERSTOOD THE BASIS OF THE CRIMINAL LAW IN AMERICA YOU WOULD KNOW JUSTICE MOORE IS RIGHT! Common Law from England was basis of our first laws handed down from Duke of York in form of such documents as "Original Criminal Code of 1676", those laws were established by judges in England who used scripture from Ten Commandments. The colonists in Pennsylvania were ordered to use those laws. This is HISTORICAL FACT, and should never be removed from us. The most commonly used criminal justice textbook (CRIMINAL JUSTICE, SEVENTH EDITION BY JAMES A. INCIARDI) ON PAGE 43 teaches the history of COMMON LAW. To remove this from courthouses and textbooks is same as erasing Leanardo Di Vinci from the Mona Lisa...and perpetuating a LIE...Don't let them do it! This not about seperation of Church and State, it is about rewriting history!
41 posted on 08/21/2003 7:00:36 PM PDT by MarthaNOStewart (t)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: qam1
I lived a good and moral life

Sorry. That alone won't get you into heaven. I will be praying for you, asking God to grant you the peace that can only come from a relationship with Jesus Christ (who, by the way, loves you very much). Your life has been full of opportunities to accept this love but you have turned away from it. I pray that you will make a choice that will affect the rest of your life on this earth as well as your life in eternity. I pray that you will have the wisdom and desire to make this important decision. However, as you know, God has given us free choice, so he will not force you to believe in Him or to accept Him and His love. The decision is yours. You can continue to rationalize and explain away the existence of God. Unfortunately for you, you are wrong. Please do not respond to this message with anger or derision. If I didn't care about you, I wouldn't write it. I have never met you and probably never will. Just think about it----please.

42 posted on 08/21/2003 7:12:27 PM PDT by Faith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: bluecollarman
Because I guess unlike Christians Athesist can only type in one response at a time, Sorry.

George Washington signed off on the treaty didn't he?

By accusing me of being a liar (Well a partial liar - Thanks) on this is equvielent to saying any quote by any President is nullified because it was written by a speech writer.

Even so, The Treaty with that quote was also signed off by the next President John Adams (because it took that long to get back) and was approved unanimously by the Senate. If was so unagreeable why didn't they take it out?

Now I am waiting for a response on Moses' atrosities and the part in the bible about a Republic/Democratic form of Government.
43 posted on 08/21/2003 7:14:09 PM PDT by qam1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Ragtime Cowgirl

If the left follows the EU to pagan narcissism, the weakest and the most innocent (or, as the opposition would say, "women and children"...) will be hurt the most. God, family, America - no more.

The Decline of a Nation expounds upon your comment.

44 posted on 08/21/2003 7:28:39 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: randita

And conveniently ignore the fact that we would have virtually no charities, hospitals and institutions of higher learning without Christians because Christians are the ones who founded those institutions and continue to fund them in large part.

How many atheist or agnostic charities, hospitals or universities can you name? Case closed.

Detailed in What If Jesus Had Never Been Born?

45 posted on 08/21/2003 7:30:38 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
I'm not religious - I do support Moore. Just remember history - the last time the Christians lost was not a pretty picture. It's no doubt in my mind that the anti-Christians think they are so superior to the Christians. My advice is to RESPECT HISTORY!
46 posted on 08/21/2003 7:38:09 PM PDT by Alissa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1
The neglected question is, if the Ten Commandments should be enshrined on public property, which Ten Commandments should it be?

http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm

47 posted on 08/21/2003 7:41:01 PM PDT by reasonseeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
"...The justices, who have the power to override Moore's administrative decisions, took the step after a federal judge threatened to fine the state $5,000 per day.

(snip)

The governor, who is grappling with a budget deficit, said the fines could have added up to $1 billion within four months."

No wonder he's battling a budget deficit. At $5,000 per day, it comes to $600,000 after four months... a tad short of "$1 billion" - or am I missing something here?


48 posted on 08/21/2003 7:46:48 PM PDT by Pravious
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: qam1

I hate to tell you but when I was 12 years old I actually read the bible and as they say "No book created more Atheist than the Bible"

The Father's Love Letter with audio.

49 posted on 08/21/2003 7:47:35 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
thanks a bunch for linking to my post. :)
50 posted on 08/21/2003 7:48:44 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Bill Federer’s American Minute:
August 21, 2003
Born in Scotland, he was one of only six founding fathers to sign both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. President George Washington appointed him a Justice on the Supreme Court. One of the most active members at the Constitutional Convention, he spoke 168 times. His name was James Wilson and he died this day, August 21, 1798. The first law professor of the University of Pennsylvania, James Wilson wrote: "It should always be remembered, that this law, natural or revealed, flows from the same divine source; it is the law of God.... Human law must rest its authority, ultimately, upon the authority of that law, which is divine."
51 posted on 08/21/2003 7:50:04 PM PDT by comnet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
I thought it possibly might do that; I didn't know it did for sure.
52 posted on 08/21/2003 7:54:10 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Alissa

I'm not religious - I do support Moore. Just remember history - the last time the Christians lost was not a pretty picture. It's no doubt in my mind that the anti-Christians think they are so superior to the Christians. My advice is to RESPECT HISTORY!

Yours is the 3rd comment made by people who are not religious, yet support Federalism. The Founders accommodated those with your view.

FT April 2003: The Faith of the Founding

It is important to pause here and take in Madison’s point. The relation of an individual to his Creator is precedent to his entering into civil society; it arises from nature itself. Yet this view of nature is in fact derivative from an expressly Christian view of the world expressed in philosophical rather than in exclusively theological or scriptural terms. In Madison’s view, by nature an individual is "a subject of the Governor of the Universe." On that fact, deep and inviolable, his natural right is grounded.

Continuing to quote from the Virginia Declaration of Rights, Madison attempts to ground the fundamental equality of all individuals, considered as subjects of the Governor of the Universe.

If "all men are by nature equally free and independent," all men are to be considered as entering into society on equal conditions; as relinquishing no more, and therefore retaining no less, one than another, of their natural rights. Above all, are they to be considered as retaining an "equal title to the free exercise of religion according to the dictates of conscience." Whilst we assert for ourselves a freedom to embrace, to profess, and to observe the religion which we believe to be of divine origin, we cannot deny an equal freedom to those whose minds have not yet yielded to the evidence which has convinced us. If this freedom be abused, it is an offense against God, not against man: To God, therefore, not to man, must an account of it be rendered.

[…]

Only Judaism and Christianity have a doctrine of God as Spirit and Truth, Who created the world in order to invite these creatures endowed with intelligence and conscience to enter into friendship with Him. Only the Jewish and Christian God made human beings free, halts the power of Caesar at the boundaries of the human soul, and has commissioned human beings to build civilizations worthy of the liberty He has endowed in them. So high is this God’s valuation of human liberty of conscience that, even though He has launched a divinely commissioned religion in history (in two Covenants, Jewish and Christian), He would not have either of these religions imposed by force on anyone. So devoted were the American founders to this understanding of religious liberty that, as Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography (1821), the authors of the Virginia Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom refrained from mentioning the exact name of the "holy author of our religion." Here is Jefferson’s explanation for the omission:

Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the words "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion"; the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.

53 posted on 08/21/2003 7:55:17 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: comnet
Scottish. I wonder if he was a staunch Presby? The Presbies supported the Revolution rather strongly.
54 posted on 08/21/2003 7:56:52 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: rwfromkansas
GREAT WORK! I have it on my BOOKMARKS LIST and will make frequent reference to it on this site and elsewhere.
55 posted on 08/21/2003 7:59:29 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
You bet it's pivotal. I want the 10 Commandment rock removed just so I won't have to look at a Koran rock 20 years from now.

You are correct, of course. But never underestimate the human ability to make venal short-term decisions without due regard for the long-term consequences.

56 posted on 08/21/2003 8:04:41 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Its too bad John Hostettler's amendment has not passed. I disagree with Governor Bob Riley and Bill Pryor. I believe the law can be a good thing - but I must cure the gentlemen in question of a misapprehension - that judges are always right. When a court should issue an order contrary to the Constitution and the rights that inhere me, it is my solemn duty is to disobey that order. Why? Because I fear God more than the edicts of man. For me there is an absolute sense of right and wrong that guides my path. And surely removing our nation's religious heritage from public view as if it were something to be ashamed of,can NEVER be right. And that is why Messers Riley and Pryor, I do not submit to the notion we have a duty to follow an unjust and immoral act even if it has imprimatur of a court. We do not. Q.E.D
57 posted on 08/21/2003 8:05:08 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

When a court should issue an order contrary to the Constitution and the rights that inhere me, it is my solemn duty is to disobey that order. Why? Because I fear God more than the edicts of man. For me there is an absolute sense of right and wrong that guides my path.

The First Question - Whether subjects are obligated to obey rulers who issue commands contrary to the law of God. Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos

Mornay concludes his work with a strong plea for resistance to tyranny:

religion commands us to maintain the Law of God and to defend the church; justice commands us to use force against the tyrant who subverts the rights of a commonwealth; charity commands us to relieve the oppressed and to lend a helping hand. To deny these duties, then, is to will the extinction and removal of religion, justice, and charity from our midst.21

Vindiciae, therefore, does not argue for anarchy. It recommends resistance to tyranny based upon the authority of lower officers of the state. As such, it should be considered an argument for a conservative revolution.

President John Adams and his political theory have acquired new relevance as American evangelicals ponder afresh the relationship between Christian faith and the responsibilities of citizenship. For his own generation he brought to light the riches of reformational political theory. As Christians encounter increasing church / state conflict and the demands for loyalty from the modern secular state this reformational heritage needs another look. It is no longer tolerable for Christians today to cite Romans 13 as the sum total of biblical political theory--Romans 13 must be balanced by the teaching of Revelation 13. When the state usurps all authority--even that belonging to God--an altogether different response is needed. A Footnote to the Political Theory of John Adams Vindiciae contra ...

 

 

58 posted on 08/21/2003 8:09:47 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: MarthaNOStewart
Talk about rewriting history...

English Common Law predates Christianity in the British isles. The oldest written records came from the Romans and Christian missionaries, who themselves noted that the Common Law was already ancient when they got to the isles. English Common Law originates deep in pre-history, and while it has been influenced by Christianity in later years, it is by no means established as a Christian tradition.

59 posted on 08/21/2003 8:12:40 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: tortoise
Primary Source Documents
60 posted on 08/21/2003 8:15:46 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-86 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson