Busload Arrested and Led Away from Ten Commandments

WTVM ^ | 08-20-03

[Selmo]

Supporters of Chief Justice Roy Moore have been handcuffed and led away from the Ten Commandments monument in Montgomery. They had refused to leave the monument after Moore lost a last-ditch appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court this afternoon. The federal judge who ordered the monument's removal is now expected to consider a contempt of court finding on Friday. That could set the stage for the monument to be removed ... or fines imposed on the state.

Scores of Moore supporters sang and prayed outside the building as about 20 inside were removed from the rotunda. It wasn't immediately known if they would be charged by Montgomery police.

Associate Justice Douglas Johnston issued a statement saying he had proposed moving the monument to a private area of the judicial building after six o'clock this evening. He said that would avert any fines while Moore pursues appeals that could take months. But he said fewer than five of the justices concurred, and his proposal was not approved.

The associate justices have indicated they may take action later.

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[singsong]

Can anyone tell me how the removal of the ten commandments monument will limit the ability of ANY Christian to practice his or her faith?
It interferes with the free expression of judge Moore and the "busload" of people. On the other hand, since no other religion is infringed upon, the status-quo should be preserved.

[RaginCajunTrad]

One day secession will be seriously discussed.

[redrock]

From what I have read....the Federal Judge (in his ruling) stated that the PROBLEM was NOT the display of the Ten Commandments.

It was the State of Alabama ACKOWLEDGING God.

Guess that means they will have to re-do part of their State Constitution.

"We, the people of the State of Alabama, in order to establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution and form of government for the State of Alabama:"

redrock

[concerned about politics]

And since when does a Roman Catholic Cleric NOT stand for the True Faith against the world, if need be?

Roy Moore is a Baptist.

Does he possess the "True Faith"?

Well actually, Christ's favorate Church was the Church of Philidelphia. It was a poor missonary church.

[sinkspur]

One day secession will be seriously discussed.

Nah. Every state in the Union sucks at the Federal teat, and would die if it seceded.

[redrock]

I'm getting old Luis (memory lapses I guess)....but I seem to remember that those that the Police attempted to arrest ran away..or at least tried to.

I have not heard....but I don't believe those in Alabama have run away...but have stood their ground.

Different things....

redrock

[RaginCajunTrad]

"Rule of law, Palladin. Render to Caesar."

Caesar was a thief, but he had more sense than our judges. Probably more honor too determined by the standards of the times.

[daughterofTGSL]

You're right, it isn't a current law. I went back to reference the Cincinnati article I found, and it was from 1998. It must have been changed since then.
However, my position remains the same. Some laws are immoral and shouldn't be upheld, whether laws about horseshoes or religion.

[singsong]

If by religion you mean "God" I agree Deism is NOT a refutation of religion. But Deisim does refute the rules of religion and consider religous stories like those found in the Old and New Testament to be akin to fables and myths.
It's not the whole story. Deism has its problems but so have many Churches. In fact it's an overreaction to that. The Eastern Orthodox Church also has its problems. It would be foolish for me to not recognise them just because I am of that denomination.

[concerned about politics]

So, you think that the anarchists protesting the World Bank meetings were right?

It's not the same. The anarchist against the world bank are smashing peoples private property. They're socialist facists forcing their views through violence, terror, and outright oppression of anyone who dissobeys them
The Moore group is simply protecting a mans right to freely express his religion. They're good, rightous patroits. They're hurting no one, and they believe in morality and it's the fabric that holds our nation together. Once that moral fabric is torn, the entire nation turns in to a living hell on earth.

[TheKost]

On this note

I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law.
Martin Luther King Jr.

[LiteKeeper]

INTREP/SPOTREP

[RaginCajunTrad]

Thus, judicial evolutionism would be the equivalent of amending the constitution by judicial fiat?

When the founding fathers used the term "religion" did they really mean "Christian denominations"?

By barring these outward signs of religion, are the justices actually endorsing the religion(s) of secularism and atheism and agnosticism?

[singsong]

"Jesus was simply reinforcing the idea that we are all citizens on earth as well as heaven. " Correct.
Very nice. Just think of where he recomended to store our threasures and you understand that there is very little left for Ceaser to take.

[Chummy]

"The Founders distrusted organized religion nearly as much as they distrusted a strong government...."

They surrrre "distrusted organized religion", I'm sure that's why one can hardly turn a page of their writings without some reference to or entreaty of God.

For but one example, "...with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."

Familiar with this, Luis?

"Distrusted a strong government"? They distrusted a strong federal government and in so doing granted the States certain rights (you know, the ones you seem to rant do not exist) by enumerating these in the Tenth Amendment of the US Constitution. It appears you may have confused the Articles of Confederation with that of the Constitution.

"...The issue here is not the Ten Commandments (or the monument), but the behavior of the Chief Magistrate of the State of Alabama...."

Uh huh. Like with Slick Willie: those of us who saw what his many actions rightly warranted were daily accused of being concerned only with his behavior -- which we were also hammered daily was his own business.

Judge Moore didn't leave a stained blue dress in his wake; his stance is cloaked in his rock-solid principles that all Americans have the right to practice their religion freely.

[RaginCajunTrad]

There is no more rule of law in America. The last nail went into the coffin in either Roe v Wade or when the lily-livered gutless wonders in the Senate let Clinochio stay as president.

[TheKost]

"When the founding fathers used the term "religion" did they really mean "Christian denominations"?"

I think this is a possibility. Look at how many Christian groups get all upset when someone calls the Mormons "Christian". You avoid the argument about who is a Christian and who isn't by acknowledging religion in general.

[RaginCajunTrad]

"People obstructing justice..."

I wish I had had the guts to be one of them.

[concerned about politics]

are the justices actually endorsing the religion(s) of secularism and atheism and agnosticism?

Yep.

[Luis Gonzalez]

You know amigo, they are great people these people, salt of the earth, but I'm not discussing them, what I am discussing politics and civil institutions, and the duties to ALL the citizens of elected officials, and the rights of the people to expect that their elected public servants follow established laws, and observe the orderly process required under the system they are sworn to defend.

If we condemn Liberal Judges for legislating from the bench, then we must equally condemn conservative Judges for similar behavior.

If Moore truly believed that he had a mandate from the people of Alabama to erect this document, he would have run for a policy-making position within the State Government, not for a Judicial post.

The symbol for law is a blindfolded woman holding a set of balances, Moore has removed his blindfold, and he should be removed form the Court.

One last thing...

People who are passionate about an issue, are willing to even die in its name, thus we have homicide bombers, I recall quite a number of leftist demonstrations where people were not only arrested for being there, they actually fought hand to hand with the authorities, and while it sounds grand and noble to attribute that sort of behavior only to our side, it's simply not true.