Day Before 10 Commandments D-Day: Ambassadore Keyes on Hannity

[=Intervention=]

"ou've got him pegged. It is sad to see Freepers lining up and blindly supporting him without a critical eye. "

I think support is just as logical as unsubstantiated "wait and see" and "I won't divulge confidences" sort of talk used to attack the man, don't you? So he looks well-groomed in all his photos. So freaking what? I'd like to see some evidence. Accusations masquarading as such don't cut it.

[=Intervention=]

"He consulted with no one, he accepted a gift for the State quite possibly without following proper procedures, he refuses to recognize any authority other than his own."

Have you been following this at all? Moore rests his actions on defense of the state constitution of Alabama.

[Lady In Blue]

Thanks for the ping. I missed the show,although I did hear Hannity talk mention that Keyes would be on "Hannity and Colmes." WOW!

[Luis Gonzalez]

He's twisting the Constitution of Alabama, not defending it.

[Matchett-PI]

"It seems to me that every signer of our declaration of independance ... declared this a theocracy ... "We hold these truths to be self evident. ...It takes a theocracy to get its citizens rights from our crerator." ~ Common Tator

Wrong! Or government is NOT a "theocracy".

"There is a lot of confusion today about whether our history proves that we are a Christian nation.

It’s safe to say that we are not a nation that uses the Bible as our legal text. Otherwise, disbelief in God or sins such as greed and lust would be illegal and punishable by fines or imprisonment.

No, there is no civil law against such things in the United States.

However, it’s also safe to say that our country was founded by professed Christians. From the Pilgrims to the framers of our government, Judeo-Christian principles were not only used as a basis for our law and government, but also were openly proclaimed as necessary to the survival of the new nation.

What’s my proof? The Bible was the most cited book in this country during the late 1700s and early 1800s — in pamphlets, newspapers and political monographs. Scripture accounted for 34 percent of all citations.1 The Rev. John Witherspoon served six years in Congress, and he was, well, a reverend.

President George Washington issued the first proclamation of a national day of thanksgiving, in which he said “it is the duty of all to acknowledge Almighty God” and to “obey his will.” Thomas Jefferson allowed church services to be held in the House of Congress and in the Supreme Court’s chambers.2

Don’t forget about all those prayers prayed before sessions of Congress and the Supreme Court. Every president has included a reference in his inaugural speech a reference to his and our nation’s dependence upon God. “In God We Trust” every time we spend our money.

The Supreme Court in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States (1892) ruled, “No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, State or national, because this is a religious people. … This is a Christian nation.” The Court also said in Zorach v. Clauson (1952): “The First Amendment, however, does not say that in every and all respects there shall be a separation of Church and State. … Otherwise the State and religion would be aliens to each other — hostile, suspicious, and even unfriendly.” U.S. Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story said, “One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. … There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity necessary to the support of civil society.”3 Inscribed on the Supreme Court’s walls are the Ten Commandments.

The framers of our government echoed French Catholic attorney Charles Secondat de Montesquieu’s recognition of the need for religion, namely Christianity, to be the basis for a legal framework.4 A virtuous republic and true happiness, they believed, came from obedience to God’s laws revealed in nature and Scripture, or the “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God,” as stated in the Declaration of Independence. Our country’s heritage is replete with references to God and faith.

Yet that doesn’t mean that people of other faiths can’t live in the United States. In fact, the Founders believed that only a country founded upon the Christian religion could be tolerant of other religions. People had to tolerate other religions because the government wasn’t given the authority to judge peoples’ hearts and minds, but only our actions. Hence, there could be no law against being Jewish or Islamic or atheist. The judgment of one’s conscience is left up to God.

Are we a Christian nation? I’ll let the evidence speak for itself.

What Is a ‘Christian Nation’? by Rob Regier

Donald S. Lutz, “The Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth-Century American Political Thought,” American Political Science Review 189 (1984): 189-97.

James H. Hutson, Religion and the Founding of the American Republic (Washington, D.C.: Library of Congress, 1998), pp. 84-92.

Joseph Story, Life and Letters of Joseph Story, Vol. II, William W. Story, ed. (Boston: Charles C. Little and James Brown, 1851), pp. 8, 92.

“The Christian religion, which ordains that men should love each other, would without doubt have every nation blest with the best civil, the best political laws; because these, next to this religion, are the greatest good that men can give and receive.” Montesquieu, Spirit of Laws, Vol. II (Philadelphia: Isaiah Thomas, 1802), pp. 125-6.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/620843/posts?page=122#122

[Luis Gonzalez]

Church and State need to co-exist independent of one another.

It takes people with strong Christian ethics to honor the ideals of the Nation, and to recognize that an interjection of Faith and Government will corrupt both, and I think that's what the Founders understood then that we do not understand now.

Pray to God to reach the right decision when it comes to secular government and law, and recognize that you may find yourself in a position where you will have to enforce a law that you, as a Christian, do not agree with, but you should not make that decision based on anything other than secular law because you also recognize your sworn duty as a servant of the people of the United States.

By his actions, Roy Moore has shown that this was a deliberate act meant to incite the sort of controversy that we see today, he defies our legal system and recognizes no authority above his. He swore an oath as a State Civil servant that he did not intend to keep, which in and of itself should be a impeachable offense.

Roy Moore accepted this "gift" in the name of the people of Alabama, without consulting anyone, yet he's since refused similar gifts from other Alabama citizens, including a statue of Dr. Marting Luther King, Jr., and a group representing atheists who wanted their point of view receiving the same coverage that Roy's Rock is getting...Moore refused to allow them to place their display in the rotunda.

Moore openly comments that his Constitutional duty (Alabama State Constitution) makes him recognize the God of Judeo-Christian beliefs, and none others.

Here's the pertinent section of the Alabama State Constitution:

SECTION 3

Religious freedom.

That no religion shall be established by law; that no preference shall be given by law to any religious sect, society, denomination, or mode of worship; that no one shall be compelled by law to attend any place of worship; nor to pay any tithes, taxes, or other rate for building or repairing any place of worship, or for maintaining any minister or ministry; that no religious test shall be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under this state; and that the civil rights, privileges, and capacities of any citizen shall not be in any manner affected by his religious principles.

Moore is unabashedly promoting Christianity above all others, and he is the law in Alabama.

You can't expect government to stay away from religion, if religion continues to try and conduct government.

[Matchett-PI]

You're right.

[Keyes2000mt]

So does Alan plan on getting a real job soon, or does he just plan to live off his borrowed campaign funds that he won't pay back?

For your info, Alan Keyes hasn't been paid by a campaign since his 1992 US Senate Campaign in Maryland.

As to your attack that Keyes isn't a real man, he's been arrested before and if he goes to jail, he'll do his duty of that much I'm sure.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

For your info, Alan Keyes hasn't been paid by a campaign since his 1992 US Senate Campaign in Maryland.

There is a solution to that losing record - it is called a J-O-B, not endlesly running around and crying wolf, trying to scare the terminally hysterical into supporting a black guy only because he can't possibly win (but says the right things and is enough of a token to make a twofer).

As to your attack that Keyes isn't a real man, he's been arrested before and if he goes to jail, he'll do his duty of that much I'm sure.

ROFLMAO - You're calling him crashing a debate he wasn't invited to an arrest? Hell, the way I hear it, the cops never actually arrested him, they just dragged his annoying voiced sef to a phone booth and dumped him.

That isn't the same as facing down Bull Connor.

[Keyes2000mt]

There is a solution to that losing record - it is called a J-O-B, not endlesly running around and crying wolf, trying to scare the terminally hysterical into supporting a black guy only because he can't possibly win (but says the right things and is enough of a token to make a twofer).

Keyes isn't running for anything in 2004. I would imagine that he's supporting himself through his speeches as well as his work for different organizations.

You may not call public speaking a job. But it puts food on the table and if you can make a living at it, God bless you. It's America.

In addition, your indictment of Keyes supporters is downright arrogant. Our nation is in serious trouble, because government spending, the murder of millions, and a globalist foreign policy.

ROFLMAO - You're calling him crashing a debate he wasn't invited to an arrest?

He was invited and then it was rescended. They want back and forth on this. He was a presidential candidate and had a right to be in the debates.

Hell, the way I hear it, the cops never actually arrested him, they just dragged his annoying voiced sef to a phone booth and dumped him.

They dropped him in a Pizza Hut parking lot. If this is an acceptable way to treat a candidate for President of the United States who was on the ballot of the State of Georgia.

[ToKillaMockingbird]

I attended a speech last Friday night given by Alan Keyes He does have a "real" job. He did an excellent job and was well paid. Very inspiring. As for his defense of The Ten Commandments, it's not just about The Ten Commandments it's about open season on Christians. And about the rights of Christians being trampled on and laws being interpreted incorrectly.

[fabian]

Judge Moore is taking a stand against the attempt to remove a reminder of God. God bless him, even if this does advance his carreer, which isn't a bad thing.

[Exigence]

Judge Moore is taking a stand against the attempt to remove a reminder of God. God bless him, even if this does advance his carreer, which isn't a bad thing.

Now really, if someone's career might be helped by advancing the Kingdom of God, that person should cease immediately. We don't want anyone succeeding for God's sake or while doing God's work, do we? *tongue in cheek*

[Robert_Paulson2]

According to the Bible, the Romans said something similar about Jesus Christ.

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Oh so now, the lawbreaking judge moore is on the same page with Jesus?

[Robert_Paulson2]

They dropped him in a Pizza Hut parking lot. If this is an acceptable way to treat a candidate for President of the United States who was on the ballot of the State of Georgia.

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waahhhaaahh!!!!! I can just hear them all crying for allen...

Me? I am sorry palp... but this one rolled me out of my chair too... crying from the absolute laughter of it all.... I laughed till I cried...

I can just see stunned alan being dropped off at an undisclosed pizza hut... was a touch of genius by whoever did it... and it funny beyond words. "you can't dump me here... I am supposed to be debating for president of the USA...." "sure fella... have a pizza" "but, but.. how am I gonna get a cab?"

Maybe pizza hut needed a driver?

[Robert_Paulson2]

tis not a theocracy luis...

tis a ME ocracy... me being judge moore.

[ppaul]

Chief Justice Moore's Poem at Rally
Monday, August 18, 2003

With thousands in attendance, Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore delivered the following poem:

Our American Birthright

One nation under God was their cry and declaration,
Upon the law of Nature's God they built a mighty Nation.
For unlike mankind before them who had walked this earthen sod,
These men would never question the Sovereignty of God.
That all men were "created" was a truth "self-evident,"
To secure the rights God gave us was the role of government.

And if any form of government became destructive of this end,
It was their right, their duty, a new one to begin. So with a firm reliance on Divine Providence for protection,
They pledged their sacred honor and sought His wise direction.
They lifted an appeal to God for all the world to see,

And declared their independence forever to be free.
I'm glad they're not here with us to see the mess we're in,
How we've given up our righteousness for a life of indulgent sin.
For when abortion isn't murder and sodomy is deemed a right,
Then evil is now called good and darkness is now called light.

While truth and law were founded on the God of all Creation,
Man now, through law, denies the truth and calls it "separation."
No longer does man see a need for God when he's in full control,
For the only truth self-evident is in the latest poll.

But with man as his own master we fail to count the cost,
Our precious freedoms vanish and our liberty is lost.
Children are told they can't pray and they teach them evolution,
When will they learn the fear of God is the only true solution?
Our schools have become the battleground while all across the land,
Christians shrug their shoulders—afraid to take a stand.
And from the grave their voices cry the victory has been won.
Just glorify the Father as did His only Son.
When your work on earth is done, and you've traveled where we've trod,
You'll leave the land we left to you, ONE NATION UNDER GOD!

[Keyes2000mt]

BTW, not sure it matters to you, but your earlier statements about not being able to forgive Keyes, Falwell, and Robertson for blaming America were totally fallacious in regards to Keyes who didn't make the statement only Falwell and Robertson did. Also, they didn't blame American policy in general, only certain groups. So, you must be mad at Ann Coulter because she blames the same groups (who are also active against national defense).

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Congress, our Federal law makers, not only lack the power to make laws that are not enumerated in the Constitution [which they do unconstitutionally anyway], but they also defunded the judicial activists who tried to legislate this fictitious, mythological law. The House took away any funding to enforce the court decision. They do have that enumerated power, but the power hungry judicial branch is trying to ignore that annoying detail. What I'm saying is your question is as incoherant as the false claim that judges must crusade to separate state governments from God. Note that the Ten Commandments are in the Supreme Court building, and that congress pays a minister to pray before each session.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

You know what? At this moment, I don't care what Keyes did with his campaign funds. I might care after this is over. But as long as he's standing there beside Judge Roy Moore, I don't care. If Clinton, himself, stood there, defending the Ten Commandments, I would pray for him, too. I would even open the slightest bit of respect for the man. Your desire to rain on his parade reveals something about you. Not a single, kind word? I see.