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Day Before 10 Commandments D-Day: Ambassadore Keyes on Hannity

Posted on 08/19/2003 3:01:13 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March

Alan Keyes is calling on everyone within driving distance to rally in Alabama with him-- a candlelight vigil tomorrow at 7:00 PM. Keyes is fired up about this. Mike Savage is fired up about this. Hannity asked Ambassadore Keyes if Judge Roy Moore might land in jail. Keyes replied, "Only if I go to jail with him!"

Judge Roy Moore will be on Hannity tomorrow night. Whoever can't go [I can't go-- wish I could], please pray for these patriots.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; US: Alabama; US: Florida; US: Georgia; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; judgemoore; tencommandments
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To: DTwistedSisterS
i'd like to know why there is such a fight over this... First Amendment you say? it says Congress shall pass no law... since when did one Judge become Congress? and pass a law?

Good question! What law has Judge Moore broken? What law did Judge Thomas cite to remove the Ten Commandments display?

121 posted on 08/20/2003 4:46:28 AM PDT by TigersEye (Regime change in the Supreme Court. - Impeach Activist Judges!)
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To: comnet
nicely rhymed, nicely timed,

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122 posted on 08/20/2003 5:02:51 AM PDT by teeman8r
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To: BamaG
I agree that Judge Moore should follow the court order.

I also agree that the court has in this case not correctly stayed with in the bounds of their authority.

The right answer is to remove the rock, store it, and pursue appeal. Another approach would be to pursue legislation to authorize its placement.

I can't imagine how a judge would hold that an atheist would have standing to be offended. Just walk by man! Like your neighbor with the lavender house. Walk by don't look at it!
123 posted on 08/20/2003 5:09:05 AM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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To: ppaul
Actually, i think they said "no taxation without representation". One nation, under G-d came later.
124 posted on 08/20/2003 5:10:20 AM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
so it's difficult to say that he would have been too polarizing.

I've never understood this. If you're going to be called "evil fascists" for maintaining the status quo in the culture war, or if you're going to be called "fascists who want the poor to suffer" for slowing the rate of growth of government spending, then why not go go all out against them? How much louder can they squawk?

125 posted on 08/20/2003 5:14:00 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: BamaG
The 11th Circuit denied Moore's request for a stay:

Moore's down to last chance

By Todd Kleffman
Montgomery Advertiser

MOORE

Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore was rebuffed twice by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals Tuesday in his 11th-hour efforts to thwart the court-ordered removal of his Ten Commandments monument by the end of the day today.

Moore's only hope now for court intervention rests with the U.S. Supreme Court, which is in recess and not obligated to respond to the emergency writ Moore filed Friday.

Moore had no comment on Tuesday's developments, said his spokesman, Tom Parker.

Meanwhile, a group of Moore supporters from across the country detailed their plans for around-the-clock vigils beginning at 12:01 a.m. Thursday.

The civil disobedience protests are designed to prevent the monument's removal from the state Judicial Building by kneeling down in front of a forklift or whatever might be used to take the 5,300-pound monument out.

"We're assuming the monument can be taken out at any time (after today's deadline expires)," said the Rev. Patrick Mahoney, director of the Washington, D.C.-based Christian Defense Coalition, which is organizing the vigils.

RALLY FOR VIGIL

The Christian Defense Coalition is sponsoring a Ten Commandments rally to start off an around-the-clock vigil to protect the monument from removal.

What: Keep the Commandments rally

When: 7:30 p.m. today

Where: State Judicial Building

Mahoney introduced people from Kansas, Ohio and California who have arrived in Montgomery and are willing to go to jail to protect the monument. Many others are coming to join the vigil, which will last as long as needed, Mahoney said.

"I'm here to support the moral foundation of our nation," said the Rev. Phil Fulton, who said he was arrested in June trying to protect four Ten Commandments monuments installed at high schools in Adams County, Ohio, after a federal court ordered their removal. "Without that, this nation will crumble, this nation will fail as Hitler's Germany did."

U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson issued today's deadline for the monument's removal. Thompson has indicated he will impose civil contempt fines beginning at $5,000 a day against the state if Moore refuses to obey the order.

Moore said last week he has "no intentions' of taking out the monument installed two years ago. The display has been ruled unconstitutional by Thompson, and three judges from the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.

After Moore announced his plans to defy Thompson's order, Montgomery Attorney Steve Glassroth, one of the plaintiff's who sued Moore over the monument, filed a complaint against the chief justice with the Judicial Inquiry Commission. The complaint alleges Moore violated the judicial canon by threatening to disobey the authority of a higher court.

If the commission decides to investigate the complaint and finds it has reasonable cause, the case would go to the Court of the Judiciary. Moore automatically would be suspended from his job with pay pending the outcome. If found guilty, Moore could face penalties ranging from a reprimand to removal from office.

Moore's defiant announcement also prompted senior Associate Justice Gorman Houston to issue a statement that the other eight members of the state Supreme Court would take whatever steps necessary to make sure Alabama remains "a government of laws, not men."

The associate justices are scheduled to meet today. A majority vote of the eight remaining justices could override Moore's decision to keep the monument in place.

The authority of the JIC and associate justices to influence the fate of Moore and his monument "concerns us," Mahoney said.

Montgomery attorney Robert Varley, who is working for the American Civil Liberties Union on the Moore case, said the plaintiffs likely would go to Thompson seeking contempt charges against Moore early Thursday if the monument is not removed by then.

The plaintiffs might not force the issue, however, if there appears to be a plan to remove the monument under way from the justices or another source, Varley said.

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It looks like Alabama Attorney General Bill Pryor is going to enforce the court order, not federal marshals.

 

Monument coming down 'very soon,' Pryor says

Federal court has ordered removal of Ten Commandments memorial from state building

08/20/03By GEORGE TALBOT
Business Reporter

 

SANDESTIN, Fla. -- Alabama Attorney General Bill Pryor said Tuesday he will enforce a federal court's order for removal of a Ten Commandments monument from the state Supreme Court building and that, "I expect it to be removed very soon."

While Pryor has said he would put his personal beliefs aside when dealing with the Ten Commandments issue, Tuesday marked his first remarks estimating an abbreviated time frame for removal of the monument that has polarized Alabama in the argument over the separation of church and state.

"My responsibility is to uphold the Constitution and the rule of law, and I will be doing my duty," Pryor said when asked about the monument after a speech at the Business Council of Alabama's annual governmental affairs conference at a Florida Panhandle resort.

Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore installed the 5,280-pound monument in the rotunda of the state judicial building two years ago. On Tuesday, Moore continued his legal fight to keep the monument in place, asking the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals to reconsider after it declined to stay an order requiring him to remove the monument by midnight tonight .

Pryor, a Mobile native who has seen his appointment for a lifetime seat on the Atlanta-based 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals stymied by congressional Democrats, said it is his personal belief that the Ten Commandments can be displayed constitutionally. Despite that view, however, he will keep the state in compliance with the order to remove the monument, he said.

"I don't want to speculate on how or exactly when it is going to happen," Pryor said Tuesday. "I will be advising the appropriate state officials on how to proceed, and I expect they will do so."

The effort to remove the monument could meet resistance from Moore's supporters, who said Tuesday they planned an around-the-clock prayer vigil and a series of protests on the steps of the court building.

Patrick Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, said the protests would begin at 12:01 a.m. today and would be "Christ-centered, peaceful and prayerful."

"Every minute that monument stays in the building after (today) is a victory," Mahoney said.

Joining Mahoney at the judicial building Tuesday were several people who said they had come to Montgomery to join Moore's fight.

"I'm tired of a small group of people telling us that we can't display our history on public buildings," said Jenny Brown, who traveled to Montgomery with her daughter from their home in Wichita, Kan.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, for the second time Tuesday, rejected a plea by Moore to stay the removal order until the U.S. Supreme Court can rule on his petition call for it to intervene.

A three-judge panel of the Atlanta-based appeals court, denying his second motion of the day, said he had failed to ask for a stay within the legal time frame after it ruled against him July 1.

His request now can be granted only in "extraordinary circumstances," and Moore failed to show such circumstances exist, the appeals judges said. Their ruling said that repealing U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson's order to remove the monument would be "one of last resort, to be held in reserve against grave, unforeseen contingencies."

Thompson ruled earlier this year that the monument violates the constitution's ban on government promotion of religion. He said he may impose fines of about $5,000 per day on the state if the monument is not removed by the deadline.

Thompson has said it would be permissible for the monument to be moved to a less public site, such as Moore's office.

Moore took a defiant stand last week, saying he "cannot and will not" remove the monument. Moore could not be reached for comment Tuesday.

Meanwhile, the eight associate justices on the Alabama Supreme Court have considered using a state law that allows a majority of the court to overrule an administrative decision by the chief justice. The associ ate justices are not expected to take any action unless fines are imposed on the state after the Wednesday deadline.

Robert Varley, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union, one of the groups suing to remove the monument, said he expects it will be removed. "No one in this country is above the rule of law. We don't have kings and princes," Varley said.

State Rep. Jim Carns, a Republican who is minority leader in the House, wrote the attorney general on Monday, asking a series of questions on why Pryor hasn't fought for Moore under state's rights and other claims. Carns also asked if the associate justices could overrule Moore and order the monument removed.

Pryor, a Republican, like Moore, reiterated his belief that "the Ten Commandments are the cornerstone of our legal heritage," but said he must "obey all orders of the court, even when I disagree with those orders."

(The Associated Press con tributed to this report.)

 

126 posted on 08/20/2003 5:15:43 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Keyes2000mt
He's (Keyes) one of the few people who gets the passion in me stirred. I heard him on Hannity yesterday speaking about this. He is very passionate about his beliefs.

BTW My wife and I also voted for him in the primary, as a write-in here in Pennsylvania.

127 posted on 08/20/2003 5:17:46 AM PDT by stevio
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Keyes and Falwell - They, along with their grinning, grifting little goon friend Robertson were the first ones to blame the terrorist attacks of 9/11 on the American people.

Considering the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah, do you think it's possible that our nation is deserving of a similar chastisement? Since 1973, 30 million dead, and counting.

128 posted on 08/20/2003 5:19:22 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: BamaG
What he is not entitled to -- and what is appalling for a person in his position to even contemplate -- is defiance of a court order.

Not if it's an immoral law. "Just following orders" is not a defense.

129 posted on 08/20/2003 5:22:29 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
What law is immoral?... Was Alabama less of a moral state before this graven image was erected?

It is not immoral to remove this statue. You people are more concerned with the image rather than following the Ten Commandments.
130 posted on 08/20/2003 5:27:06 AM PDT by BamaG
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To: donmeaker
I can't imagine how a judge would hold that an atheist would have standing to be offended. Just walk by man! Like your neighbor with the lavender house. Walk by don't look at it!

I've debated my dear friend who is ACLU until I was blue in the face. They believe they are fighting theocracy which always has the potential to displace liberty.

I oppose theocracy myself, am hoping for the people of Iran to throw off its bonds. But this order to remove the monument is itself tyrannical. It is extreme slippery slope averse anti-theocracy in the name of civil rights advocacy.

I am an atheist who would gladly join the protest in Alabama. (But I have to work and take care of my family).

131 posted on 08/20/2003 5:34:11 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: rwfromkansas
"But, even if it did, posting the Ten Commandments would not meet the test for what an 'establishment of religion' is. That was a very narrow restriction."

IMO, we need a firm adherance to the latter part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." and then returning to the founding fathers' original intent by reading an "establishment of religion" as being a NOUN instead of accepting it as an action verb.

132 posted on 08/20/2003 5:38:55 AM PDT by azhenfud (For every government action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.)
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To: azhenfud
...and then returning to the founding fathers' original intent by reading an "establishment of religion" as being a NOUN instead of accepting it as an action verb.

Meaning that Congress shall make no law respecting how religions establish their own views, mores, rites and strictures not simply that government shall not establish a religion, right?

133 posted on 08/20/2003 6:02:50 AM PDT by TigersEye (Regime change in the Supreme Court. - Impeach Activist Judges!)
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To: BamaG
The concept of graven images is derived from the Bible, specifically the First Commandment, which forbids the making of images of God. Deuteronomy 27:15 and Psalms 97:7 refer to the household gods of idolaters. A representation of the Ten Commandments is hardly a graven image, since it is not a god.

The bottom line is that the issue of Chief Justice Moore's display of the Ten Commandments represents a fault line between real Americans, who adhere to the Biblical principles on which our nation's institutions were predominantly founded, and secular humanists, who reject the need for laws and customs to be founded upon immutable principles, even if they are nominally Christians or Jews. It is the secular humanists whose beliefs are ahistorical and subversive to the principles of the Founding Fathers.

However, the secular humanists control the mainstream media, the Democratic Party, much of the Republican Party, and the judiciary, including a majority of the Supreme Court. The Feds have the guns; it appears that the Alabama Attorney General will cooperate with them. Barring a truly massive outpouring of public support (it is hard to picture Federal marshalls clubbing and teargassing their way through thousands of nonviolent demonstrators), the monument will come down. I do not foresee massive civil disobedience taking place.

Thus passes the glory of America.

134 posted on 08/20/2003 6:09:31 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: NutCrackerBoy
I oppose theocracy myself, am hoping for the people of Iran to throw off its bonds. But this order to remove the monument is itself tyrannical. It is extreme slippery slope averse anti-theocracy in the name of civil rights advocacy. I am an atheist who would gladly join the protest in Alabama.

You seem to be one of the few on either side of this issue that understands that this issue is not about religion but about the Constitution.

135 posted on 08/20/2003 6:12:40 AM PDT by TigersEye (Regime change in the Supreme Court. - Impeach Activist Judges!)
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To: Guenevere
Guenevere, I have learned that Chancellor Palpatine and his friends float around FreeRepublic.com looking for threads to spout their anti-Christian and anti-Religious Right statements. Some of what Chancellor Palpatine rambles on about would fit in great at DU or any other Liberal forum. What can you expect from someone who chooses their screen name from a stupid sci-fi movie.
136 posted on 08/20/2003 6:21:43 AM PDT by jgrubbs
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To: NutCrackerBoy; TigersEye
I oppose theocracy myself, am hoping for the people of Iran to throw off its bonds. But this order to remove the monument is itself tyrannical. It is extreme slippery slope averse anti-theocracy in the name of civil rights advocacy. I am an atheist who would gladly join the protest in Alabama.

You seem to be one of the few on either side of this issue that understands that this issue is not about religion but about the Constitution.

Believe me, those who zealously seek to remove the display are all too well aware of it. They want, and need, to make this about religion as they don't have a Constitutional leg to stand on in opposing it.

137 posted on 08/20/2003 6:47:31 AM PDT by jla
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To: BamaG
Just wait, he will challenge Richard Shelby for Senator, or at the least Bob Riley for Gov

Shelby's up for re-election next year, but would Chief Judge Moore want to be one of 100--and at the bottom of the totem pole to boot? Given how hidebound Senate rules are, he'd have difficulty being contained--and quiet. He is used to being Top Dog, and he'd definitely not be that for years in the Senate unless he intends to pull a Hillary and shove Sen. Sessions off the stage.

And, unless Riley is recalled, he's not up for re-election until 2006. Can Moore wait that long?

However, given Moore's national audience, I wonder, if he's removed by the Judicial Inquiry Commission, if he's going to do something else--speaking tours, writing, etc.

138 posted on 08/20/2003 6:51:33 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Well, being that Shelby is pro choice and that Moore is pro life it might not be a bad idea that he replace Shelby. Though I like Shelby it hurt my conscience to vote for him on that point alone. Too bad he had to keep that Democrat tendency when he switched parties.
139 posted on 08/20/2003 7:07:54 AM PDT by ToKillaMockingbird
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To: ToKillaMockingbird
The problem I see with Moore in the Senate isn't a pro-choice/pro-life position (I'm sure other pro-life candidates can be found to run against Shelby), but whether his temperament is suited for the senate. It's that the Senate, unlike the House, is big on *decorum* and *compromise,* neither of which is Moore's strong suit. I can't imagine Moore sitting in the Senate and being quiet, not being allowed to give a speech--and a very controlled one at that, and approved by the Senate leadership--for a year or two.

If he were to run for federal office, he'd be better suited running for a House seat, where he can rail to his heart's content, give special order speeches long into the night, things like that.

140 posted on 08/20/2003 7:18:17 AM PDT by Catspaw
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