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Getting a glimpse at SCO's evidence
CNET news.com ^ | August 19, 2003 | Lisa M. Bowman

Posted on 08/19/2003 7:39:56 AM PDT by Joe Bonforte

LAS VEGAS--When SCO Group first filed its lawsuit against IBM in March, critics characterized the move as the last gasp of an ailing company hoping to strike a series of lucrative licensing deals.

Since then the company has come out swinging even harder, bashing its detractors, standing by its allegations, and most recently, posting a profit that SCO said would allow it to continue its aggressive intellectual property fight.

At the SCO Forum here Monday, the company pulled out its latest weapon: lines and lines of disputed code that were allegedly copied from SCO's Unix into IBM's version of Linux. The company claims that IBM illegally copied Unix code into its version of Linux, and it's warning Linux customers that they may be violating copyright by using the operating system without paying SCO. It's also recently announced a new licensing plan that would require Linux customers to pay between $199 and $699 per computer.

In a quiet conference room tucked into the conference center at the MGM Grand, SCO offered customers, partners and the merely curious the chance to view the code for themselves, as long as they signed a nondisclosure agreement.

Companies involved in litigation traditionally keep such information under wraps in order not to tip their legal hand, but SCO said it decided to display the code because its critics were charging that it didn't have a case.

"Given the nature of this case and that there may be a significant period of time before it's resolved and that people were clamoring to see it, we decided to show a few pieces of evidence," said Chris Sontag, senior vice president of the SCOsource unit, which is charged with protecting SCO's Unix-related intellectual property.

As of the end of the day on Monday, more than 150 people had seen the code presentation, which the company said includes a small portion of the infringing code it has found so far. Sontag said the company has uncovered more than a million lines of copied code in Linux, with the help of pattern recognition experts.

A compelling case?
According to those who viewed the code at SCO Forum, company representatives showed off several categories of code that allegedly infringed its copyrights, including some lines that appeared to be directly copied, some that were derivative works and some that were obfuscated, such as code from which legal disclaimers had been removed. (This reporter declined to sign the nondisclosure agreement required to attend the special sessions where the companies showed off a special side-by-side comparison of the code, opting instead to gather reactions from people who saw the presentation.)

After viewing the code, Don Price, general manager of Price Data Systems, said he was surprised at the volume that was allegedly copied. "It's compelling," he said. "Some people were either extremely sloppy, or copied and thought no one would go after them."

Neil Abraham, with SCO reseller Kerridge Computer, said SCO made the right decision to pursue IBM. "I think they've got a very firm case," he said, after looking at the code. "It's not just one line. It's huge chunks."

Bob Ungetti, of Raven Technologies, who was milling about waiting to get into a room where the code was being shown off, said he wanted to see the code because his customers have been asking him about the suit. "I want to see the code myself just to substantiate the claims SCO is making, so when I talk to my customers about the credibility of the lawsuit, I can say I saw it for myself," said Ungetti, whose company is a reseller for SCO. "If they're interested in using Linux, they're concerned they may be adversely affected; my SCO customers are concerned that if the company loses the lawsuit, it may be out of business."

Ungetti said a keynote address on Monday morning had already convinced him that SCO had a pretty solid case. During a speech, SCO representatives showed a few slides containing the allegedly infringing code, offering attendees a taste of what they could see if they signed the nondisclosure agreement.

"The spelling errors and comments (copied into the code) are the real kicker. To me, that's the nail in the coffin," Ungetti said.

Many attendees of the conference are longtime SCO fans, so convincing them that the company has a case by showing them the code probably wasn't too tough. However, at least one attendee was appalled by SCO's decision to sue IBM. The man, an exhibitor on the show floor who asked that his name not be used, said that SCO's hands aren't clean either, because the company has probably taken code from other sources and incorporated it into its products. "It looks to me like there's been a lot of cross-pollination" between Unix and Linux, said the attendee, who jokingly called SCO's legal saga "As the Stomach Turns."

Legal experts agreed that SCO faces a challenge of proving that it has the original rights to the code--a task that could prove especially daunting because of a special license popular among makers of free and open-source software known as the GNU Public License, or GPL. The GPL requires companies that incorporate code into their product to share their changes. In its response to SCO's legal filing, IBM claims that SCO can't assert claims to the disputed code because it was originally covered under the GPL.

"Even if there is literal copying, you'll have to say, 'What's the source of the code?'" said Stuart Meyer, a partner with Fenwick & West, who is not involved in the case.

SCO has denied that the disputed code is covered by the GPL. An attorney for the company said Monday that even if it were, federal copyright laws protecting the company's intellectual property would trump the free software license, an argument that could form the crux of the case should it go to trial.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: copyright; lawsuit; linux; sco
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To: Joe Bonforte
So I don't see where SCO is exacerbating any damages. It is merely preventing those who have presumably infringed in the past from hiding that infringement before SCO sues them.

None of SCO's pleadings stipulate that future damages are barred. And "those who have presumably infringed in the past" couldn't "hide it" already by ditching Linux altogether? Tell me another good joke.

21 posted on 08/19/2003 8:44:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Rifleman
This is called begging the question.

I don't think so. I was replying to someone who said "What I don't understand is the Linux guys have offered to fix the problem by removing SCO code and replacing it with open source." I was pointing out that simply removing infringing code from Linux does not clear the table on past infringements. And yes, of course that argument was assuming hypothetically that some of the IP was copied. Was that assumption not obvious from the first line that said "I think I can explain SCO's point of view on that."?

"The linux source and its evolution is as well documented as any such activity can be. The CVS archives contain records of every change ever made (well, after Linus released the first versions) and they are publicly readable."

What good does that do for Linux users? From SCO's point of view, the end users are the ones using (hypothetically) infringing code. The license arrangements between those users and the original programmers are not relevant to SCO's case, because those license arrangements (as best as I understand them) do not assign any liability to those who produced the code.

Perhaps you are suggesting that, if SCO has evidence of infringing code, they should be suing individual programmers instead? That's an interesting thought.

22 posted on 08/19/2003 8:51:16 AM PDT by Joe Bonforte
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To: Rifleman
Linux uses bit-tracker or bit-torrent, something like that but your point is well made.
23 posted on 08/19/2003 8:52:08 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: Joe Bonforte
Lots of info coming in, as people have found the origin of the code that SCO claims is there. Will post in a moment when I compile it.
24 posted on 08/19/2003 8:53:30 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Only if it agrees, in effect, to be barred from the Linux business forevermore.

I must have missed that. The article just mentioned a non-disclosure agreement. How does that get people out of the Linux business?

25 posted on 08/19/2003 8:53:40 AM PDT by Joe Bonforte
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To: HiTech RedNeck
And "those who have presumably infringed in the past" couldn't "hide it" already by ditching Linux altogether?

That's a good point, but it's also a "hiding solution" of a completely different magnitude. It would probably be cheaper for most such organizations to just pay off SCO instead of abandoning Linux in favor of another OS, which they presumably would have to buy. So that solution for hiding the evidence is probably not economically practical.

And I'm trying hard to ignore your "Tell me another good joke" type responses in the interests of maintaining a civil debate.

26 posted on 08/19/2003 8:57:51 AM PDT by Joe Bonforte
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To: Joe Bonforte
Because SCO can go after the person who submitted the code directly. If you buy a stolen car you lose the car but are not put on trial for GTA. The person who seteals the car (or code) is the one to go after not the person (or persons) they sold it to...
27 posted on 08/19/2003 9:00:29 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: justlurking
A picture of code displayed by SCO at the conference:

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jk-19.08.03-000/imh0.jpg

They apparently switched some of the characters to the Symbol font to obfuscate it. But, it can easily be translated to:

As part of the kernel evolution towards modular naming, the functions malloc and mfree are being renamed to rmalloc and rmfree. Compatibility will be maintained by the following assembler code: (also see mfree/rmfree below)

Another picture:

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jk-19.08.03-000/imh1.jpg

There are reports of this code being found in 2.11 BSD, which was released in February, 1992. So, the consensus (so far) is that SCO took the code from BSD, as did Linux -- thus confirming there is a common source, and it is isn't SCO.

More to follow. I'm still compiling the info.

28 posted on 08/19/2003 9:01:33 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: Joe Bonforte
For one thing, previously possessed knowledge that happens to be identical to what was seen is not exempted from the ban on disclosure (which most NDA's do exempt, but SCO's quite notably does not). Since UNIX and Linux are so similar, this would prevent the person from ever working on Linux code that does anything similar to what the viewed UNIX code did. SCO is playing games, pure and simple.
29 posted on 08/19/2003 9:01:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Joe Bonforte
In the eyes of the law it doesn't mitigate the fact that they COULD ditch Linux.
30 posted on 08/19/2003 9:04:53 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Joe Bonforte
F the bottom feeding lawfirm known as SCO. My predict is they will flame out.
31 posted on 08/19/2003 9:06:06 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Joe Bonforte
It would probably be cheaper for most such organizations to just pay off SCO instead of abandoning Linux in favor of another OS, which they presumably would have to buy.

FreeBSD is another possibility.

32 posted on 08/19/2003 9:06:59 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: justlurking
OK, an earlier incarnation of the code that has been found:

http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree/V7/usr/sys/sys/malloc.c.html

This is from 1979. I'm not clear on the origin of the code referenced above.

33 posted on 08/19/2003 9:07:16 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: martianagent
FreeBSD Kicks ass, far more stable than Linux, if not as well "known" in the press.

However, the whole thing is moot, because once the "controversial" code is known, it will be rewritten in a matter of DAYS at the most and new versions of any any Linux will no longer have the parts in question...

So everyone out there does a free upgrade to the newest Kernel, SCO can do nothing really other than persue RH and IBM et al.. which even if they would lose, would just stall SCO indefinately with legal proceedings to the point where if SCO ever got a dime, it would be ancient history.

IMHO Last thing SCO wants to do is get this to a courtroom, its way easier to intimidate 200-600 a pop from mom and pop oerations than it is to actually create new products.. which once the controversial code is completley removed, SCO will be forced into doing, which currently it is losing market share and revenue and will continue to do so.


The longer this issue stays "secret" and hidden, the longer they can keep blackmailing the public.
34 posted on 08/19/2003 9:07:35 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: justlurking
And now the comments have been found in a 1984 posting to Usenet:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22Allocate+'size'+units+from+the+given+map.%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=2551%40allegra.UUCP&rnum=1

35 posted on 08/19/2003 9:09:31 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: N3WBI3
Perhaps this is a good time to recall that over a decade ago, ATT sued BSD for coping their UNIX code. As the case progressed, it turned out that ATT had actually copied BSD code into UNIX. The case was settled out of court.

I do not think the present case will turn out to SCO's favor.

36 posted on 08/19/2003 9:10:28 AM PDT by stripes1776
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To: HamiltonJay
Yes, this definitely is a game in which SCO wants to exact tribute for the future. No, SCO can't exact tribute for the future - it has to mitigate its damages.
37 posted on 08/19/2003 9:10:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HamiltonJay
IMHO Last thing SCO wants to do is get this to a courtroom, its way easier to intimidate 200-600 a pop from mom and pop oerations than it is to actually create new products.. .


SCO is in the lawsuit biz not the software biz
38 posted on 08/19/2003 9:12:40 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: justlurking
Now, someone has found the code in question in a book published in 1974:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1573980137/ref=lib_dp_TFCV/002-1855771-1491210?v=glance&s=books&vi=reader#reader-link

39 posted on 08/19/2003 9:12:58 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: Joe Bonforte


40 posted on 08/19/2003 9:13:25 AM PDT by Nick Danger (Time is what keeps everything from happening at once)
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