[Right Wing Professor]

If there were a designer, he would have had to have been drunk.

You are in violation of your agreement.

Absolutely not. One major criticism of intelligent design as that if we accept the premise of design, the design does not look intelligent. There are, as I discussed, elements to the human genome that would make one question not just the putative designer's intelligence, but also his sanity or sobriety.

I reject your attempt to restrict criticism of intelligent design which examines the quality of the alleged design.

[AndrewC]

Absolutely not.

You are. Specifically section 5

5 Language Restraint We will not use obscene or belittling words to describe another complying poster or whatever that poster believes;

I request that you be reminded that calling someone insane or drunk is belittling.

[gore3000]

Absolutely not.

You are absolutely in violation of your promise. You can discuss intelligent design without bashing religion. Yours was a deliberate, unprovoked and pointless attack on religion which proved nothing except your enmity towards religion.

[Nataku X]

Let's imagine for a moment that you're alone in a room of femi-nazis with your Freeper male buddy, and that for some reason you were trying to make peace with them. Would you make the old "what do you tell a woman with 2 black eyes", in everyone's hearing?

I honestly found the Designer joke a bit offensive, too, but let it slide because (1) of the noise interference that Aric2000 talked about which is gone now, and (2) I knew that no one meant any harm by it.

There are more constructive ways to make your point about the universe or the human body appearing to not to be a result of design than to suggest that the Designer (normally taken to be the Christian God in these threads) is intoxicated. And, potentially offensive jokes should be kept between freepmails.

No, we will probably never get the apologies or admissions we want... but that does not mean that we should not do the right thing ourselves: apologize unconditionally, think of how the situation could be avoided next time, and just move on... Aric2000, I know you already apologized and meant it, but, really, it did come across as being very defensive... :-(

I'm beginning to understand a little of how Alamo-Girl feels, being under pressure from both sides... from the evos to correct her own side, and the other to give the "wrong" side the smackdown.