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To: discostu
It is YOU who avoids the FACTS.

Since the telezapper wasn't a "legal" no solicistors sign it's OK for the telemarketers to avoid it.

As already explained to you, the telezapper merely messes with an automated computer calling system used by telemarketers. As I already said, first, NOT ALL telephone salespeople use those automated systems. Secondly, you're only messing with their system; you're not telling them not to call. (You're thinking in terms of a "group" - not all telemarketing companies are the same. They're not all working the same way, nor do they all know that you have a telezapper).

I notice you continue to ignore the FACT that telemarketers HAVE BEEN required BY LAW to allow people to get off their lists for YEARS and their answer to that was to create convoluted processes most people simply wouldn't have the patience to go through.

And YOU continue to ignore my support of other measures, like fining those particular telemarketing companies who overstep the boundaries and harrass people. Or you as the call receiver able to punch a number that traces the call through the phone company and reports it for harrassment. (And of course there's always you who can tell them to "get lost" and hangup). There are many other possibilities without asking the feds to create a list and then fine every salesperson who makes that first cold call.

It doesn't stop ALL sales people, and it only stops the phonecall as first contact, customers can still request information from the company via male or phone call and work from there.

And, sales for those companies will drop. The reason we receive sales calls is that people are buying from those telemarketers. Those cold calls move potential customers into action; otherwise, the customer might never get around to picking up the phone and calling, and, if he/she does, he/she may call a competitor who will be certain to ensure that the customer doesn't trust the competition.

Again, like it or not, telemarketing, as annoying as everyone finds it, has been a successful business tool. This law outlaws the use of that tool. ("Order-taking" and "following up on a sales call" are not the same as "telemarketing/telephone sales", which are generating much more business than people would like to acknowledge).

268 posted on 08/13/2003 11:54:39 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
I see you've learned a lot from your telemarketing experience. Three times in a row you said you were done and you keep coming back.

But again the telemarkets show their true colors, any of them that use the automated systems run into the telezapper and know why the person is using it. Instead of being remotely honorable and leaving the person off their list they change the program to make telezappers useless.

Because your "support" for those other methods is hollow. We've tried it that way, since people get hungup on before they can get on the do not call list the company can't be prosecuted for harassment. We tried it your way, it didn't work. Since the telemarketers couldn't be trusted to keep their own list who should we have turned to?

Luckily for them there are plenty of other ways to advertise. Also not the entire country is going to be on the list, there will still be plenty of folks for them to call, I'm betting the sales percentage will go up because they'll no longer be calling people that never were going to buy a damn thing from them anyway. While they're reading this database they should take the time to check out some other database, like the reverse phone lookups. I'm sure they're sales percentages would go up even more if they stopped trying to sell new roofs to people with numbers at the end of their street address or storm windows to people living in Tucson.

This does NOT outlaw the use of that tool. It doesn't make it anymore illegal than previous opt out regulation, all it does is give a central location for people to opt out from. That's it. The regulation around the list, including the fine for violating it, is EXACTLY THE SAME. All that's changed is the fed has realized the telemarketers can't be trusted to maintain their own list.
270 posted on 08/13/2003 12:53:20 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: Tired of Taxes
[the TeleZapper is] only messing with their [robocalling] system; you're not telling them not to call

While we're on the subject, would you like to share your personal definitions of the words "alone", "sex", and "is"?

289 posted on 08/14/2003 8:28:58 AM PDT by steve-b
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