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To: discostu
Well it took a while but we're seeing your true colors now. You're just an apologist for a bad industry and you're not going to let any facts get in your way.

Oh, boy, at first I thought you might be good at debating, but I was wrong. You're so desperate now that you're calling me names (like "apologist"). Your posts are a waste of my time.

And, no, sweetie, Caller ID only displays the name or number of the person calling you. It is nothing more than a screening tool. It does not guarantee by contract that an unwanted person won't get through. And, legally, the telezapper is not a "no solicitors" sign. Some telephone sales companies don't even use computer-generated calling systems.

As I said, a "no solicitors" message - one delivered by the phone company - was the best idea I heard yet. Another idea would be to fine just those telemarketing companies who have overstepped the line by harrassing people.

But, creating a government "list" and then fining any company who calls any number on that list is stopping ALL telephone salespeople from making that first call. Again, it's anti-business, no matter how annoying you or I think telemarketers are.

266 posted on 08/13/2003 11:08:12 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
"Apologist" is name calling? I know some well respected Christian philosophers that would argue that. If my posts are a waste of your time then stop reading them.

No "sweetie" Caller ID also blocks calls from unwanted or unidentifiable numbers. Of course it's not garauntee, nothing can be. But it was advertised as a method of blocking telemarketers, it does have the ability to put in a message where you tell telemarketers not to call you anymore.

And now you dive into classic bad apologist tactics. Since the telezapper wasn't a "legal" no solicistors sign it's OK for the telemarketers to avoid it.

I notice you continue to ignore the FACT that telemarketers HAVE BEEN required BY LAW to allow people to get off their lists for YEARS and their answer to that was to create convoluted processes most people simply wouldn't have the patience to go through. The original intent of that law was the best idea yet. But the telemarketers abused the letter of the law to violate the intent.

The ONLY thing the DNC has added was the centralized list. The individual method carried the same fine for violation. It doesn't stop ALL sales people, and it only stops the phonecall as first contact, customers can still request information from the company via male or phone call and work from there. That's a highly profitable method of persuing sales, perfected by Craftmatic. All that's being stopped is using the telephone as advertising. It's not anti-business, it's PRO individual.
267 posted on 08/13/2003 11:23:35 AM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: Tired of Taxes
Another idea would be to fine just those telemarketing companies who have overstepped the line by harrassing people.

Well, then, we are in complete agreement. My telephone number is on the Do Not Call list. If you're a telemarketer and you call me anyway, then you've harassed me and you will be fined out the wazoo. QED.

288 posted on 08/14/2003 8:25:06 AM PDT by steve-b
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