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To: discostu
Again, if a person told a telemarketer not to call again, and the telemarketer or telemarketing company called again, that should be considered "harrassment".

Again obfuscation, the point isn't whether or not junkmail is annoying, is it theft? And the answer is no because you don't pay to receive it. Since 95% of junkmail is obviously junkmail without you opening it I think you're overstating things trying to appeal to emotion.

Actually, it is the pro-DNC list people who are appealing to emotion, as no one (not even I) enjoys receiving sales calls. The point is that your telephone service, though you are paying to use it, is provided to you by a company. And that company isn't providing a service that limits the calls you receive only to those people from whom you want to receive calls. No, it's providing you with an open line so that anyone can call you.

There is little difference between paying for telephone service or cable television (or internet service, for that matter). And I still see little difference between any of the above and receiving mail. It is still my private property to which it is delivered, even though I'm not "paying" for the mail service to deliver it. (We're not paying for the telephone call made by the solicitor, either).

Looks like we're not going to agree here, but that's OK. We don't all have to agree on everything. :-)

204 posted on 08/12/2003 7:26:26 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
Again, if a person told a telemarketer not to call again, and the telemarketer or telemarketing company called again, that should be considered "harrassment".

Well, then, the DNC list is a good thing, since it gives a one-stop shopping solution by which telemarketers can determine whether or not a specific person has told them not to call. Duh.

244 posted on 08/13/2003 7:04:07 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Tired of Taxes
Which it was, the problem was you had to "officially" tell the telemarketer not to call you, inbetween now and Oct 1st try it out. When one call ask to speak to a manager, don't let them snow you about there being no manager or the guy you're talking to being good enough, most of the guys actually manning the phones are contractors so they aren't considered representatives of the company. Once you get through to a manager you need to find out the name of the company, the actual telemarketing company not the company who's product they're selling, write that down. Now that you have that you need to request to be on their no call list, specify the no call list that is mandated by law and will get them fined if they violate it, many firms have other "non-binding" no call lists. Give him your name number and address and note the date and time where you wrote down their name. Now every time a telemarketer calls you can repeat the first two steps, if it's the same company you can file a complaint with the FCC and they'll get fined. It should be noted that now that they have confirmed this number they'll be selling it to other companies who aren't effected by what you did (you'll need to repeat the process with them) and in a year or so (if you weren't on the DNC) they'd start calling you again under the defense that "it's been so long, we assumed this wasn't your number anymore". Of course all of that effort is null and void if for some mysterious reason you're disconnected before the manager gets all the information necessary to put you on their list... you know mysterious odd things that sometimes happen, like the guy hanging up on you.

And that's why this went federal. They were given a chance to handle this privately between them and the people they were calling, they chose to pervert it.

You are paying for an open line, and when these salesmooks tie it up it's no longer an open line. Again this concept has stood up very nicely already because it is already 100% illegal or them to make unsolicited calls to a cell phone.

There's a HUGE difference between the phone and cable, which I already pointed out. The commercials are paying to get the TV shows produced, telemarketers aren't doing anything that helps my uncle call me from Chicago. TV advertisers are using a service THEY pay for (the studio, and the broadcast equipment) to send their message to me.

As for the mail you're ignoring what I said: it's not the private property it's the PAYING FOR THE SERVICE. You don't pay to receive mail, inbound mail service is free for everybody, so they aren't taking something you've paid for. We ARE paying for the telephone calls made by telemarketers, you pay a certain amount every month to have a live telephone connection that can receive phone calls, they're using that time and availability that you pay for.

We're not going to agree on this because you're wrong. You're obfuscating the issue with innacurate analogies that have no ACTUAL bearing on the situation.
251 posted on 08/13/2003 8:06:02 AM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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