Posted on 08/10/2003 4:36:04 AM PDT by JesseHousman
Editor, Naples Daily News:
Once again the moribund hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church makes a pronouncement that is supposed to shake all of us into moral rectitude. This time they speak out against gay marriage as an act contrary to "natural moral law."
Why is it contrary? Because it follows that a loving union between people of the same sex cannot result in progeny.
Following this logic, is any conjugal act between a married, post-menopausal, heterosexual couple (where the female is definitely past child-bearing age) an act contrary to natural moral law, since no progeny will result?
The church would say no, because this physical act is the result of the "holy" love between a man and a woman. The church is silent on why the love between a married, post-menopausal, heterosexual couple is more sacred than the love between two men or two women.
Oh, they will cite scripture as condemning same-sex love. But that boat won't float because scripture condemns many acts and has numerous behaviors proscribed which the church conveniently overlooks. Why are these other forbidden behaviors overlooked? Because the times have changed since the Good Book was written (by men) and the church has survived these many years by interpreting scripture in a relational manner to the times. Didn't someone once ask, "Is man made for the law or the law made for man?"
The church itself teaches that the law of the Old Testament is abrogated by baptism. The freedom obtained in baptism is intended to make room for a new guide or principle. That new guide is Jesus. And nowhere does His testament condemn homosexuality.
There is only one "natural moral law" that stands the test of time and runs as a seamless thread through all cultures.
That is the principle that states: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
I think that is what the lesson of faith in the Prince of Peace was — no more and no less. It is time for the Catholic Church to be truly catholic and get back on track with it original mission.
— Daniel del'Ala/Naples
Unfortunately, this twit believes this convoluted, perverted homosexual agenda crap. Nothing short of a frontal lobotomy, or a conversion to believe in God's word will mutate his hell-bent, cockeyed theories.
But the people said nothing."
Following this logic, is any conjugal act between a married, post-menopausal, heterosexual couple (where the female is definitely past child-bearing age) an act contrary to natural moral law, since no progeny will result?
He actually is stupid enough NOT to see the complementary design of the reproductive system. I wonder where he was in his Junior High Health Class?
The only thing his homosexual couplings will EVER produce are hemorrhoids and disease. (horror"oids")
Standing back and allowing satan and the Homosexual Agenda to advance towards their goal of free access to children is a sin that likewise will cry to heaven for vengeance!
And what is the "real world" as you see it?
It appears to me that the "real world,", the Homosexual Agenda and Globalism march down the same pathway to Gehenna.
Are we, who are vigilant, wrong? I don't think so.
The Agenda is satanist politics. Many of our congressrats, educators and (supreme court) judges have already signed their souls over to satan. They want to give homosexuals what they want: access to youngsters, which is a goal (among many other things, but paramount, nevertheless) of globalists. They strive to weaken families, legitimate organized religion and to relegate our nation to third world status, thereby making it easier to fold into the New World Order.
To me globalism is the United Nations: one constitution for the world, one currency, a new race created in homosexuals, and absolutely NO GOD and NO JESUS CHRIST, or Ten Commandments.
He also conveniently overlooks the fact that growing old is a natural process, not contrary to any law. Aging is simply the course of nature. The man's mania has blinded him to fundamental distictions. What do you do with somebody who can't see the diff between losing one's powers to age, and throwing one's powers away through self-indulgence?
But it's probably pointless to argue with someone so rabidly illogical and mendacious (He voices so many falsehoods in such a short time I don't know where to begin). In any case these people don't need to be argued with--they need to be STOPPED.
Additional reflection on the above phrase you posted makes me, and hopefully others, reflect.
Does being in touch with the rest of the world mean that we are to embrace evil perversity and consider it a normal, acceptable style of life that furthers a healthy moral society? Should we, for the sake of harmony with our homosexual population, destroy the instituion of marriage and make it a laughing stock and an abomination to God?
Whether people believe it or not, God is not pleased with the crimes we continue to commit on this earth. Unless we change directions and stop the carnage we allow by killing babies, then turning around and embracing same-sex couples cohabitation as "legal" married couples whose methods of achieving their selfish orgasms are no different than someone who enjoys sexual relations with an animal, then we have lost our souls as well.
The New Episcopal Book of Prayer is being revised as we speak.
It's interesting to note that during/after the disgusting sacrilege of installing V. Gene Robinson as Bishop of New Hampshire only 10% of the delegates walked out.
The remaining delegates stayed to work on the important work of the church: hammering out a new edict on racism.
What utter God-less, disgusting horse pucky.
Indeed. What difference is there between a human having sexual relations with an animal or two humans behaving like animals.
Both acts are sinful and unnatural.
Of course there are some that believe that a man shoving his penis up another man's anus is wholesome.
Not true. The Church teaches that the Mosaic Law was abrogated by Christ's sacrifice. It is in baptism into Him that we participate in the New Covenant and are freed from the twin slaveries of sin and the Old Law.
The freedom obtained in baptism is intended to make room for a new guide or principle. That new guide is Jesus. And nowhere does His testament condemn homosexuality.
Again, not true. There are other New Testament condemnations of homosexual behavior, but St. Paul vigorously condemns homosexual behavior in 1 Corinthians 6:
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders, 10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. (emphasis added)
(sounds like a Democrat convention, doesn't it?)
There is only one "natural moral law" that stands the test of time and runs as a seamless thread through all cultures.
There is a Natural Law that indeed stands the test of time, but it is curious that this person would cite it. The seamless thread through all cultures does not show any traces of homosexual marriage, for example. It simply does not (and did not) exist as a common or natural practice in any culture. Citing Natural Law does not, therefore, aid the author's case. Why start to do now what has never existed in any other culture, that, according to this person's argument, therefore contradicts natural moral law?
What the author might be straining to do is to support his argument with pagan references. In pagan cultures, particularly in Roman and Greek ancient cultures, homosexuality was not strenuously condemned. I have the impression from reading (Suetonius, for example), that permanent homosexuality was not considered truly normative. It was regarded as an acceptable aberration, as it were.
The norm in ancient times was to have children. When birthrates declined for whatever reasons nations tended to fall (like what is happening in Europe and here).
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