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man arrest for detaining illegal immigrants
Yuma Sun ^ | LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer

Posted on 08/07/2003 8:27:02 PM PDT by AZ GRAMMY

Second arrest made in immigrant incident

BY LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer Aug 7, 2003

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Yuma County sheriff's deputies have arrested a second man in connection with the alleged unlawful detention of six illegal immigrants on July 31 in Gadsden.

Alexander David Dumas, 26, was arrested Tuesday evening after driving to Yuma from his home in Big Bear Lake, Calif., for an interview, said sheriff's spokesman Lt. Eben Bratcher.

Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment following the early morning July 31 incident where deputies said he and Matthew Paul Hoffman, arrested on the same charges on Monday, detained a group of six illegal immigrants that had just entered the United States through the Colorado River.

A third man, Martin Hoffman Jr., was with the two suspects but won't be charged because he was not armed and did not take part in the handcuffing of the illegal immigrants, Bratcher said.

Bratcher said the department will continue to investigate the case and warned citizens against taking the law into their own hands.

He said anyone who sees a group of suspected illegal immigrants should call the Border Patrol, and not take it upon themselves to apprehend the group by using guns and handcuffs. Asking a group to stay put while making a phone call is permitted and would constitute a citizen's arrest, he said.

"When you have someone holding someone against their will with the use or the threat of the use of force, you've crossed the line between a citizen's arrest and unlawful detention," he said. "There was no justification for the use of force."

Deputies said the two men handcuffed five members of the group, which included three children and two women, and held them at gunpoint until U.S. Border Patrol agents arrived.

Agents have said they were dispatched to the scene when a surveillance camera operator noticed the incident unfolding. The agents called the sheriff's department, who then identified and interviewed all three men before letting them go, officials said.

Bratcher said the men are not believed to be part of a larger group, such as the citizen patrol groups that operate on private property along the Tucson border and use various forms of technology to alert Border Patrol agents to the presence of illegal immigrants in the area.

Also being charged with five counts of endangerment is a 16-year-old Mexican national who Bratcher said was paid $600 to bring the illegal immigrants into the United States. Bratcher also said the illegal immigrants were planning to meet with a taxi cab in Gadsden and were to be taken to a unidentified Yuma hotel, according to interviews done of the illegal immigrants by detectives.

William Robbins, Border Patrol spokesman, said the six illegal immigrants were in the agency's custody as of Wednesday morning but couldn't be interviewed.

Hugo Oliva, Mexican consul in Yuma, said the group was in good condition following the incident and that his office is encouraged by the sheriff's department's efforts regarding this case.

"This is a very disturbing thing to happen here," Oliva said. "We can't have people with guns do the job of law enforcement agencies."

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To: novacation
Arnie is a fiscal conservative and he's gonna win. I see brighter times ahead...less Gray.
461 posted on 08/09/2003 12:36:32 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: AZ GRAMMY
Of course, illegal aliens should all be rounded up and expelled immediately. There should be an emergency crash course program, all law enforcement, volunteers should get together and go block by block and track down any illegal alien because they are invading our country. They have no right to be here. There are many millions of illegal aliens here. All should be thrown out immediately in the worst way possible, not treated well. They should be thrown out brutally so they know never to come back. Soldiers should be put on the border with shoot to kill orders. Anybody coming across the border is invading this country. America has the right to defend herself. Someone comes into your country, you have a right to shoot them in self defense. You won't have to have signs in spanish warning them. Believe me, after the first five or six are killed, they will get the message, very, very quickly. You won't have to translate it.
462 posted on 08/09/2003 12:38:36 AM PDT by majordivit
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To: majordivit
You are a liberal trial lawyer's wettest dream.
463 posted on 08/09/2003 12:45:34 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
Hope you're right. We'll see.
464 posted on 08/09/2003 12:48:03 AM PDT by novacation
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To: PRND21
You are a liberal trial lawyer's wettest dream.

On the contrary, I am the worst nightmare. Both traitor sellout political parties are the wet dreams of bolshvik trial lawyers.

There must be a strict policy of no more immigration, of troops on the border, of rounding up illegal aliens and throwing them out and offering voluntary expatriation to those here who are already citizens. They've got to be offered money to leave and many of them will take up that offer because many of them have never seen money like this. It will be a decent sum of money but it will be a fraction of what we'll end up paying over their stinking lifetimes.

465 posted on 08/09/2003 12:51:50 AM PDT by majordivit
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To: novacation
First we shoot them , then we pay them. What's next? Make them do the Monica? :^O
466 posted on 08/09/2003 12:58:19 AM PDT by eldoradude (Save endangered feces - ban Ex-lax!)
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To: eldoradude
I'm sorry, that was just a little...tongue in cheek humor.
467 posted on 08/09/2003 1:09:08 AM PDT by eldoradude (Save endangered feces - ban Ex-lax!)
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To: eldoradude
Many of us have made assumptions that the story that inspired this thread does not necessarily support.

In case anyone misunderstands, I support what the vigilantes are trying to do, and I think they're having some success because we're talking about it here. But I don't support inhumane treatment of people, and I think anytime you have inconsistent enforcement of immigration laws, you have a potential for great suffering. The vigilantes are the most inconsistent force in the entire equation!

In other words, if we mined the border and put up signs in spanish saying

PELIGRO, EXPLOSIVOS ALTOS, MINAS Anti-personnel
it would be more humane than random citizens arrests by crazed vigilantes, and the random but regular deaths of whole boxcars of people due to starvation and dehydration.

That's my biggest complaint with the 'Homeland Security' BS. It harrasses US citizens without solving the problem of foreigners being here that want to do us harm.

Wait, have lots of people been troubled by Homeland Security who shouldn't have been? I'm all for profiling if it keeps a bomb from getting onto my commercial flight. In any case, I would agree that TIA and some of the other programs that have been proposed go too far. But it's a new world. Anyway, we will have to experiment as a people in trying to resolve these issues.

The Border Patrol and the INS are doing a miserable job, and if they don't improve something has to be done.

Agreed, but I think they're doing a bad job because they're understaffed, poorly equipped, and have an inconsistent mandate. It is our politicians who support them, and from governor to governor, from senator to congressman, from President to the FBI, nobody has any consistency.

This is a huge problem, with many examples. We need to channel our venting into constructive actions that improve the situation. I'm open to suggestions.

Vote for politicians who are consistently on the side of legal and limited immigration with standards. The vigilantes are going to hurt people and we don't want that. But talking about it here on FR is better than doing nothing!

468 posted on 08/09/2003 1:14:32 AM PDT by risk
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To: Once-Ler
I have no way to prove that Reagan changed his mind about open borders after the recession was over except to say that little was done about solving the "problem" during his Presidency...

This part of your otherwise excellent post I would disagree with. The 1986 bill, despite the amnesty clause did contain tough new mechanisms for getting illegal immigration under control, most important of which were employer sanctions and thousands of new border patrol guards. During Reagan's remaining two years in office attempts were made to enforce the sanctions, but after he left compliants from business halted anymore INS action. So while he probably could have done more, like place the military on the border, he did a recognize a problem with illegal immigration and sought out a legislative remedy.

The amnesty was promised to be a one shot deal that affected long-time residents only, and it was not anticipated to be in the millions as it turned out due to the enormous fraud involved. Really all it ended up doing was encouraging more illegal immigration, something current politicians should be considering when proposing new amnesties.

Yes Reagan was a strong supporter of legal immigration, I think most Americans are. It's fine with me too, within reason. During the 1980s we took in approximately 500,000 a year, that worked out well and I see no reason why we need what we're getting today, which is over a million. Communities must have the ability to absorb new people, which includes schools and other social costs. At the present time we're being overwhelmed.

469 posted on 08/09/2003 5:56:11 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: risk
And why do you think that might be?

Uh...is this some kind of trick question? Low sperm count from industrial pollution maybe? You seem to be implying something that is obvious to you...why don't you just tell me. WAIT!! I'VE GOT IT!!! The Mexicans are are stealing our embryos!!! Of course, it all makes so much sense now.

But I just happen to think that it ought to be for people who already live here

That would have originally been the Injuns...they ain't too keen on the whole American Dream thing. I really wish your predecessors had thought as you did and stayed home instead of coming to America. Then I wouldn't have to hear you whine about how you got your freedom and everybody else can go screw themselves

Reagan said this about the American Dream...

Passing on to another generation and the generations after them this thing called the American dream -- making sure it remains a beacon of hope to a troubled but waiting world.

It sounds like you would shut down that beacon.

I'd like to think that you just have not really thought much about any of this, but I fear that is not the case. Your characterization of today's immigrants as lazy and shiftless are not new. They are the same type of things that were said about the wops, kikes, polacks, and chinks as they came to America in sizable waves many years ago. You think your bigotry is different and justified because the Mexicans are worse than any immigrants we have had before. yeah right. You can't even get you slurs correct. Most Mexicans are not Muslim they are Catholic 89% and Protestant 6%. Why don't you "Find out" some real facts before you post, instead of just making this stuff up as you go. It makes you look dumb.

The Mexicans don't hate Dubya...aside from the Cubans, Dubya never had a better minority vote. Certainly the homegrown American Blacks and Jews hate Dubya but that doesn't fit in with your propaganda so you skipped that part.

Can you tell the difference yourself?

I can tell the difference between a person like you and the Mexican immigrants who are happy they don't have to make their sister sleep with the sheriff. They marvel at the limitless freedom of this country and you fret that America is nearly destroyed.

470 posted on 08/09/2003 9:26:43 AM PDT by Once-Ler (This Bushbot sez "I vote Dubya")
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To: novacation
"12 billion ain't nothing" Gee, 12 billion out of 38 billion seems like a large percentage to me.

$12 billion out of $38 billion would be a large percentage…if I knew WTF you were talking about. What is this $38 billion? Is this the new math? You get an “L” for learning because you are very special.

So 12 billion "ain't nothin'" and you don't like blonds.

I never said anything about not liking blondes. Please let me know if you are having trouble reading what I write. If English a second language for you or if you are under 12, I can try to write appropriately for your skill level.

Well,well,well. I've really stumbled into the pulgaria here

OMG in your drunkenness you are now making up words. pulgaria.

471 posted on 08/09/2003 9:30:18 AM PDT by Once-Ler (This Bushbot sez "I vote Dubya")
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To: Once-Ler
38 billion is the California deficit. According to your math 12 billion ain't nothing.Who are you? Bill Gates?Actually it would be 12 billion out of a 100 billion dollar budget. That's 12 percent isn't it. I think the number is probably higher if you count other negatives that come along with your buddies. Oh I'm so f**king sorry I may have misspelled your favorite drunking hole.I don't have trouble reading your comments. They just don't contain any logic."12 billion ain't nothing." Depends on which end of the 12 billion you are on. Since you think it"ain't nothin" you must be on the benefit end.Viva Welfare!Viva Blondes!
472 posted on 08/09/2003 9:48:59 AM PDT by novacation
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
I see no reason why we need what we're getting today, which is over a million. Communities must have the ability to absorb new people, which includes schools and other social costs. At the present time we're being overwhelmed.

I don't like the fact that people are coming across the border and being labeled as criminals. I'd prefer to see this problem solved with a program like Dubya has proposed. Amnesty for working families, expanding legal immigration, free-trade and promoting business in Mexico, but lastly cracking down on businesses who hire illegals,and stronger enforcement of the borders.

I believe the cost of tightly enforcing the borders will exceed any reduction in Medicare, schooling cost, and whatever other sins people may ascribe to illegals. The illegal labor is allowing some of our products to remain competitive in the marketplace.

I don't feel sufficiently knowledgeable to argue the effectiveness of the 1986 immigration bill with you. Thank you for your thoughtful and well articulated comments.

473 posted on 08/09/2003 9:59:30 AM PDT by Once-Ler (This Bushbot sez "I vote Dubya")
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"The amnesty was promised to be a one shot deal that affected long-time residents only, and it was not anticipated to be in the millions as it turned out due to the enormous fraud involved. Really all it ended up doing was encouraging more illegal immigration, something current politicians should be considering when proposing new amnesties."


"During the 1980s we took in approximately 500,000 a year, that worked out well and I see no reason why we need what we're getting today, which is over a million. Communities must have the ability to absorb new people, which includes schools and other social costs. At the present time we're being overwhelmed."

Indisputable.
Legal immigration needs reform. 250,000 to 500,000 a year, open for debate just where from.
But what to do about the 11ish million Illegals here now? Methodical round-ups? Employer asset forfeiture?

Clearly something must be done now to stop the flood coming across the southern border before anything can be done about those already here.

474 posted on 08/09/2003 11:05:53 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Once-Ler
Uh...is this some kind of trick question?

First, let me ask if you are a Libertarian? You sound just like several I know. One of them thinks that Texas is big enough to sustain the entire world's population.

But I like your reaction to the previous question. Actually, I'm not sure myself. I could guess. I'm from a family of four siblings, and one set of cousins is six. What changed between then and now? You have to admit that something is different. When my generation's family members were being born, there was still a homesteading program in Alaska. The Cold War was raging and Americans felt that they were making a difference. The population of the planet was half then what it is now.

That would have originally been the Injuns... they ain't too keen on the whole American Dream thing. I really wish your predecessors had thought as you did and stayed home instead of coming to America. Then I wouldn't have to hear you whine about how you got your freedom and everybody else can go screw themselves.

Where and how to respond to that comment? It was a culture clash and the natives lost. Or don't you believe in clashes of civilizations? I think both sides could have done a better job of accepting the other, but it didn't happen that way. Besides, which side are you on? I'm not asking what your race is, I could care less.

You quote Reagan's comments about being a beacon to the world as though it automatically sustains your position. His comments do not support your position. America can be a beacon to the rest of the world without allowing a single immigrant across our frontiers. Our foriegn policy and our trade with other countries, as well as our cultural exchanges could allow us to remain a beacon without any further immigration. I think it's time for people in countries in Africa, South America, Asia, and the Pacific to fix their own problems.

Why don't you "Find out" some real facts before you post, instead of just making this stuff up as you go. It makes you look dumb.

Now you're just being cranky. I personally know immigrants from all of the groups I cited, and right now I'm annoyed by most of them for separate reasons. You don't seem to know as wide a range of immigrants as I do. I didn't say there weren't exceptions. And I didn't say even that most of them have the negative characteristics that I cited. But it doesn't take that many before there is real trouble. And there is.

They marvel at the limitless freedom of this country and you fret that America is nearly destroyed.

And how would you know that it's safe? You're so eager to give away the farm. But how much blood has your family given for this country? We've been here since 1655, I've lost two grandparents (that I know of) to Indian attacks, and I qualify to be a son of the American Revolution. Just in the last century all of my father's brothers served in WWII, and both of my grandfathers served in WWI. On my father's side, all of my grandfather's brothers were in uniform. I have two cousins who fought in Vietnam. Their father was a POW with the Japanese for 44 months.

Those of us who have given our family's blood for this country might have a different opinion from yours, so quick to open the floodgates to the exponential population explosion happening outside. I'd rather see the problems fixed in the lands that send us their immigrants than letting those people come here.

475 posted on 08/09/2003 12:20:08 PM PDT by risk
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To: moehoward; risk
Clearly something must be done now to stop the flood coming across the southern border before anything can be done about those already here.

No doubt.

I've been following this thread for a day and a half now and heard some flawed observations by our libertarian opponents. One solution is to eliminate welefare. We all want that but I watched L. Sanchez congresswomen from California on Joe Scarbough last night and all she could talk about is a living-wage for janitors and what would Arnold do for hispanics? I was thinking "how in the world can this women get elected to anything when preaching a communist agenda?" Is it because she's buying votes by offering welefare. I would bet she won big in her district and that it has majority hispanic. So I guess the gardener and nanny are voting for her after all she's going to try to get them a living wage.

I just don't see welefare being eliminated in California by the ballot box so why should we let more immigrants (both legal and illegal) in and tip the balance in the rest of the country?

476 posted on 08/09/2003 3:05:43 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: Missouri
Side note of encouragement to you: as long as America is the greatest country on earth with the most opportunity, no matter how much we cut public services people will clamor to come here. So how we choose to deal with our own poor may make a difference in how enticed the wetbacks are to come here, but it won't make a huge difference.

Whatever our own internal problems are at the public trough should be just that -- our own. I don't want a dime of my tax dollars going to illegal immigrants, unless it's to feed them their last meal before shipping them out.

477 posted on 08/09/2003 3:09:58 PM PDT by risk
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To: risk
I don't want a dime of my tax dollars going to illegal immigrants, unless it's to feed them their last meal before shipping them out.

I'll do you one better. The only dime of my taxpayer dollars to illegals is for the gasoline in the truck that ships them out.

I agree that just cutting welefare won't solve this problem. Another old agrument was that who would will pick the fruit and vegetables if not for the illegals? Well Dan Stein said it best. Just let the free market take its coarse. Simply supply and demand. No more end runs around the American people.

478 posted on 08/09/2003 3:22:37 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: Missouri
Just let the free market take its coarse. Simply supply and demand. No more end runs around the American people.

bump!

479 posted on 08/09/2003 3:26:28 PM PDT by risk
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To: Missouri
"I was thinking "how in the world can this women get elected to anything when preaching a communist agenda?"

JMO. The reason there has not been a socialist uprising in mexico is all their "downtrodden masses" are coming north. It's easier for them to come here than to stay there and fix their own mess. I mean why stay and fight for your own country when you can sneak in and steal ours.

The best thing that could happen in California is total melt down. Just a trickle of funds for social programs for OUR needy. This would most likely just send the Illegals to neighboring states looking for the same handouts promised by Cal libs. But, the libs with the hispanic agenda are not in place in these neighboring states yet and hopefully folks would see what was coming and put a stop to it before it was too late.
480 posted on 08/09/2003 3:27:07 PM PDT by moehoward
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