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Clearly something must be done now to stop the flood coming across the southern border before anything can be done about those already here.

No doubt.

I've been following this thread for a day and a half now and heard some flawed observations by our libertarian opponents. One solution is to eliminate welefare. We all want that but I watched L. Sanchez congresswomen from California on Joe Scarbough last night and all she could talk about is a living-wage for janitors and what would Arnold do for hispanics? I was thinking "how in the world can this women get elected to anything when preaching a communist agenda?" Is it because she's buying votes by offering welefare. I would bet she won big in her district and that it has majority hispanic. So I guess the gardener and nanny are voting for her after all she's going to try to get them a living wage.

I just don't see welefare being eliminated in California by the ballot box so why should we let more immigrants (both legal and illegal) in and tip the balance in the rest of the country?

Side note of encouragement to you: as long as America is the greatest country on earth with the most opportunity, no matter how much we cut public services people will clamor to come here. So how we choose to deal with our own poor may make a difference in how enticed the wetbacks are to come here, but it won't make a huge difference.

Whatever our own internal problems are at the public trough should be just that -- our own. I don't want a dime of my tax dollars going to illegal immigrants, unless it's to feed them their last meal before shipping them out.

"I was thinking "how in the world can this women get elected to anything when preaching a communist agenda?"

JMO. The reason there has not been a socialist uprising in mexico is all their "downtrodden masses" are coming north. It's easier for them to come here than to stay there and fix their own mess. I mean why stay and fight for your own country when you can sneak in and steal ours.

The best thing that could happen in California is total melt down. Just a trickle of funds for social programs for OUR needy. This would most likely just send the Illegals to neighboring states looking for the same handouts promised by Cal libs. But, the libs with the hispanic agenda are not in place in these neighboring states yet and hopefully folks would see what was coming and put a stop to it before it was too late.