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"The amnesty was promised to be a one shot deal that affected long-time residents only, and it was not anticipated to be in the millions as it turned out due to the enormous fraud involved. Really all it ended up doing was encouraging more illegal immigration, something current politicians should be considering when proposing new amnesties."

"During the 1980s we took in approximately 500,000 a year, that worked out well and I see no reason why we need what we're getting today, which is over a million. Communities must have the ability to absorb new people, which includes schools and other social costs. At the present time we're being overwhelmed."

Indisputable.
Legal immigration needs reform. 250,000 to 500,000 a year, open for debate just where from.
But what to do about the 11ish million Illegals here now? Methodical round-ups? Employer asset forfeiture?

Clearly something must be done now to stop the flood coming across the southern border before anything can be done about those already here.

Clearly something must be done now to stop the flood coming across the southern border before anything can be done about those already here.

No doubt.

I've been following this thread for a day and a half now and heard some flawed observations by our libertarian opponents. One solution is to eliminate welefare. We all want that but I watched L. Sanchez congresswomen from California on Joe Scarbough last night and all she could talk about is a living-wage for janitors and what would Arnold do for hispanics? I was thinking "how in the world can this women get elected to anything when preaching a communist agenda?" Is it because she's buying votes by offering welefare. I would bet she won big in her district and that it has majority hispanic. So I guess the gardener and nanny are voting for her after all she's going to try to get them a living wage.

I just don't see welefare being eliminated in California by the ballot box so why should we let more immigrants (both legal and illegal) in and tip the balance in the rest of the country?

But what to do about the 11ish million Illegals here now? Methodical round-ups? Employer asset forfeiture?

Besides closing the border, which we're perfectly capable of doing if the government decided that's what they wanted, I'd go for employer sanctions to root out illegals. If they can't work, there's no incentive to come here. Put a few CEOs in jail, that will stop the hiring.

We should also cut off welfare and force the police to cooperate with the INS. Every illegal they come into contact gets turned over. Going door to door is not something we need or should do IMO, just enforce the law as its written.