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man arrest for detaining illegal immigrants
Yuma Sun ^ | LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer

Posted on 08/07/2003 8:27:02 PM PDT by AZ GRAMMY

Second arrest made in immigrant incident

BY LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer Aug 7, 2003

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Yuma County sheriff's deputies have arrested a second man in connection with the alleged unlawful detention of six illegal immigrants on July 31 in Gadsden.

Alexander David Dumas, 26, was arrested Tuesday evening after driving to Yuma from his home in Big Bear Lake, Calif., for an interview, said sheriff's spokesman Lt. Eben Bratcher.

Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment following the early morning July 31 incident where deputies said he and Matthew Paul Hoffman, arrested on the same charges on Monday, detained a group of six illegal immigrants that had just entered the United States through the Colorado River.

A third man, Martin Hoffman Jr., was with the two suspects but won't be charged because he was not armed and did not take part in the handcuffing of the illegal immigrants, Bratcher said.

Bratcher said the department will continue to investigate the case and warned citizens against taking the law into their own hands.

He said anyone who sees a group of suspected illegal immigrants should call the Border Patrol, and not take it upon themselves to apprehend the group by using guns and handcuffs. Asking a group to stay put while making a phone call is permitted and would constitute a citizen's arrest, he said.

"When you have someone holding someone against their will with the use or the threat of the use of force, you've crossed the line between a citizen's arrest and unlawful detention," he said. "There was no justification for the use of force."

Deputies said the two men handcuffed five members of the group, which included three children and two women, and held them at gunpoint until U.S. Border Patrol agents arrived.

Agents have said they were dispatched to the scene when a surveillance camera operator noticed the incident unfolding. The agents called the sheriff's department, who then identified and interviewed all three men before letting them go, officials said.

Bratcher said the men are not believed to be part of a larger group, such as the citizen patrol groups that operate on private property along the Tucson border and use various forms of technology to alert Border Patrol agents to the presence of illegal immigrants in the area.

Also being charged with five counts of endangerment is a 16-year-old Mexican national who Bratcher said was paid $600 to bring the illegal immigrants into the United States. Bratcher also said the illegal immigrants were planning to meet with a taxi cab in Gadsden and were to be taken to a unidentified Yuma hotel, according to interviews done of the illegal immigrants by detectives.

William Robbins, Border Patrol spokesman, said the six illegal immigrants were in the agency's custody as of Wednesday morning but couldn't be interviewed.

Hugo Oliva, Mexican consul in Yuma, said the group was in good condition following the incident and that his office is encouraged by the sheriff's department's efforts regarding this case.

"This is a very disturbing thing to happen here," Oliva said. "We can't have people with guns do the job of law enforcement agencies."

http://yumasun.com/artman/publish/a...tory_6619.shtml


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: citizensarrest; crime; illegalimmigrants
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To: PRND21
True.

HO Hum I miss ole' B 1 bomber. : (

With Arnie stepping up I keep thinking about the Libertarian Wrestler that took on the Gov. position and found it to overwhelming.

It takes guts and the love of public life to take on any office. I love my privacy so it is hard to imagine the stress of public life. I wouldn't last a day. : )
181 posted on 08/07/2003 10:47:57 PM PDT by oceanperch (Hasta La Vista America!)
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To: DoughtyOne
What the hell are you babbling about? The guy I was have the discussion with wasn't confused. He continued the dialog.
Bitterness is unseemly, go directly to bed.
182 posted on 08/07/2003 10:48:26 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: breakem

Have I ever talked with you before? If so, I apologize for not remembering you.

183 posted on 08/07/2003 10:49:04 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Not at all. That is just your supposition and conjecture. I was going to write "America" at first but then realized that Mexicans are Americans, too.

The hell, they are. A group of Central and South American students (all of whom were enjoying the hospitality of American taxpayers via the Fulbright Program) I knew once got away with making that claim to me, in order to deny my own American identity, but in crossing paths with tens of thousands of Hispanic immigrants, not once has one ever identified himself to me as an "American." They said they were "Mexicans," "Dominicans," "Ecuadorans," "Colombians," etc. As did the Fulbrights, when I initially made their acquaintance.

184 posted on 08/07/2003 10:49:22 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: oceanperch
Any idea why B1 hasn't made a comeback?
185 posted on 08/07/2003 10:50:25 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
I would like to see the video that led to the arrests.
If they approached these people with firearms leveled in thier direction right from the start I would question the intent. Being detained, if justified, does not qualify as harm in my book.
186 posted on 08/07/2003 10:51:15 PM PDT by KEVLAR
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To: DoughtyOne
If it was assault every police officer that ever made an arrest would be brought up on charges. You are lying when you say the women and children were assaulted. In the report the INS says the illegal aliens were unharmed.

No. You are lying. We are not talking about police officers. Dumas is not a police officer. You and I are not allowed to stop anyone we please and hold them with handcuffs at the point of a gun. It is illegal as the article explaines...

Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment following the early morning July 31 incident...

You could avoid people thinking you are an idiot if you would just read the article first.

187 posted on 08/07/2003 10:51:19 PM PDT by Once-Ler (This Bushbot sez "I vote Dubya")
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To: Cultural Jihad
You've never made any sense, if that's what you're asking. I apologize for expecting more.

I guess your position here is that someone who believes in God can go wherever they want and take over the land from someone who believes in a different God or who is an atheist. No wonder you can't answer questions about your position.

188 posted on 08/07/2003 10:51:33 PM PDT by breakem
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To: Cultural Jihad
Thanks a day of rest is usaully the ticket.
189 posted on 08/07/2003 10:52:05 PM PDT by oceanperch (Hasta La Vista America!)
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To: PRND21
Let's see, you've attempted to morph this to Koby, Reform, bitterness, vengeance and now effeminate colored fonts.

Evidently those issues are more important than 30 million illegal aliens in our nation by 2010.

It's interesting to take note of your concern for the laws of our nation and the sanctitiy of our borders.

190 posted on 08/07/2003 10:52:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: KEVLAR
I agree totally.
191 posted on 08/07/2003 10:52:46 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: mrustow; Luis Gonzalez
Be that as it may, Chileans are Americans, as are Dominicans and Cubans and Peruvians and Brazilians and El Salvadorans. We can say we are the United States, but then there are millions of Americans who live in the 'United States of Mexico,' too.
192 posted on 08/07/2003 10:53:00 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Once-Ler
Get ready for 20 bitter replies in mauve font.
193 posted on 08/07/2003 10:53:54 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: breakem
Well, an atheist can follow the will of God as well as a believer.
194 posted on 08/07/2003 10:54:17 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Taking a detached view (which is generally never recommended when viewing one's own society), the land belongs to those who will follow the will of God.

138 posted on 08/07/2003 10:14 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 128 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

195 posted on 08/07/2003 10:54:18 PM PDT by breakem
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To: PRND21
LOL! At least there's no cheesy animal clipart being added to each and every post. ;-)
196 posted on 08/07/2003 10:55:24 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: PRND21
His party did not support his accusations of voter fraud when he lost to Sanchez? Another poster suggested that.

Do you have any other ideas?

Is he still an activist? Now you have me wondering what he is doing now a days.
197 posted on 08/07/2003 10:55:58 PM PDT by oceanperch (Hasta La Vista America!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Morph to Kobe? You're dense AND bitter.
198 posted on 08/07/2003 10:56:01 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: DoughtyOne
His concern seems to be right where they should be. Any post that makes me think about my own opinion/posistion further is welcome.
199 posted on 08/07/2003 10:56:37 PM PDT by KEVLAR
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To: BlazingArizona
I don't have to "predict" anything: most of the violent crime in Phoenix is committed by illegal aliens.

I doubt a lot of "violent crime" is commited by 2 women and their 3 children. Some of the posts here are just sick and I think some of the posters would have been happy if mom and her kids had been gunned down instead of just threatened with guns...

the whole state applauds.

yes, very sick.

200 posted on 08/07/2003 10:57:29 PM PDT by Once-Ler (This Bushbot sez "I vote Dubya")
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