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man arrest for detaining illegal immigrants
Yuma Sun ^ | LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer

Posted on 08/07/2003 8:27:02 PM PDT by AZ GRAMMY

Second arrest made in immigrant incident

BY LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer Aug 7, 2003

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Yuma County sheriff's deputies have arrested a second man in connection with the alleged unlawful detention of six illegal immigrants on July 31 in Gadsden.

Alexander David Dumas, 26, was arrested Tuesday evening after driving to Yuma from his home in Big Bear Lake, Calif., for an interview, said sheriff's spokesman Lt. Eben Bratcher.

Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment following the early morning July 31 incident where deputies said he and Matthew Paul Hoffman, arrested on the same charges on Monday, detained a group of six illegal immigrants that had just entered the United States through the Colorado River.

A third man, Martin Hoffman Jr., was with the two suspects but won't be charged because he was not armed and did not take part in the handcuffing of the illegal immigrants, Bratcher said.

Bratcher said the department will continue to investigate the case and warned citizens against taking the law into their own hands.

He said anyone who sees a group of suspected illegal immigrants should call the Border Patrol, and not take it upon themselves to apprehend the group by using guns and handcuffs. Asking a group to stay put while making a phone call is permitted and would constitute a citizen's arrest, he said.

"When you have someone holding someone against their will with the use or the threat of the use of force, you've crossed the line between a citizen's arrest and unlawful detention," he said. "There was no justification for the use of force."

Deputies said the two men handcuffed five members of the group, which included three children and two women, and held them at gunpoint until U.S. Border Patrol agents arrived.

Agents have said they were dispatched to the scene when a surveillance camera operator noticed the incident unfolding. The agents called the sheriff's department, who then identified and interviewed all three men before letting them go, officials said.

Bratcher said the men are not believed to be part of a larger group, such as the citizen patrol groups that operate on private property along the Tucson border and use various forms of technology to alert Border Patrol agents to the presence of illegal immigrants in the area.

Also being charged with five counts of endangerment is a 16-year-old Mexican national who Bratcher said was paid $600 to bring the illegal immigrants into the United States. Bratcher also said the illegal immigrants were planning to meet with a taxi cab in Gadsden and were to be taken to a unidentified Yuma hotel, according to interviews done of the illegal immigrants by detectives.

William Robbins, Border Patrol spokesman, said the six illegal immigrants were in the agency's custody as of Wednesday morning but couldn't be interviewed.

Hugo Oliva, Mexican consul in Yuma, said the group was in good condition following the incident and that his office is encouraged by the sheriff's department's efforts regarding this case.

"This is a very disturbing thing to happen here," Oliva said. "We can't have people with guns do the job of law enforcement agencies."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: citizensarrest; crime; illegalimmigrants
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To: DeepInEnemyTerritory
Jorge Bush is not going to do a d*** thing about the illegals invading our country and the pub's are not even talking about the illegal alien problem anymore. Sick!

And that is the *bottom line*, that many choose to ignore.....

161 posted on 08/07/2003 10:32:53 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: oceanperch
I see. I hope you will find a way to feel better soon.
162 posted on 08/07/2003 10:33:03 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: PRND21
I would add that I myself would hope that the definition of assualt used by the court included consideration of both intent (if provable), and actual harm.
163 posted on 08/07/2003 10:33:53 PM PDT by KEVLAR
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To: breakem
To: DoughtyOne

Taking a detached view (which is generally never recommended when viewing one's own society), the land belongs to those who will follow the will of God.

138 posted on 08/07/2003 10:14 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad

155 posted on 08/07/2003 10:27 PM PDT by breakem
 

Well this guy obviously can't point out a single instance on this forum where he has spoken out against aliens crossing our borders illegally.

It's abundantly clear why posts such as this one litter the forum in place to direct responses on point.

164 posted on 08/07/2003 10:34:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Not at all, just that others should not be allowed to commit felonies with impunity upon those who commit misdemeanors.

I have seen no indication that the invaders were one-time offenders.

The military ought to be on the borders preventing most of this, if only to protect Americans who are victimized by these pests. Those who got busted for busting the invaders are victims of the loathsome illegals, IMO.

165 posted on 08/07/2003 10:35:04 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: usadave
And as someone else mentioned, there's the issue of families, and births. Seems we should lift the automatic citizenship accorded upon birth.
166 posted on 08/07/2003 10:35:23 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
BUSTBOT!!! You're the same ilk who wish Israel be invaded and destroyed by Palestinians.
167 posted on 08/07/2003 10:35:51 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: DoughtyOne
And you think I'm confused?

Yes.

See #152. What was it you said earlier...Try to keep up?

You Reformers sure are bitter and vengeful.

168 posted on 08/07/2003 10:36:28 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: Tancredo Fan

And I have seen no indication that the immigrants were repeat offenders, either. I was basing my statement upon the math, since the vast majority of cases are indeed misdemeanors.

169 posted on 08/07/2003 10:36:50 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Tancredo Fan
just raise wages to what they should be in 2003 and Americans will do the work.

I knew you were a RINO Socialist! How you gonna do that Tancredo Fan? Minimum wage of 15$ an hour?

170 posted on 08/07/2003 10:36:55 PM PDT by Once-Ler (This Bushbot sez "I vote Dubya")
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To: Joe Hadenuf
And that is the *bottom line*, that many choose to ignore.....

More than many. Most. Democracy works.

171 posted on 08/07/2003 10:37:55 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: MatthewViti
BUSTBOT!!!

ROFLMAO........how utterly UNORIGINAL you are.

172 posted on 08/07/2003 10:38:23 PM PDT by Howlin (If we don't post, will he exist?)
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To: KEVLAR
Hmmm..."actual harm"? If you miss it's not assault?
173 posted on 08/07/2003 10:39:56 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: moehoward
Citizens could be carrying any number of things. The least of which are drugs or small explosives. How about highly contagious diseases. TB, SARS, this list could be quite long.

It is good to know that Tom Ridge can count on your suport when random strip searches are conducted in your neighborhood.

Anybody ever tell you "you look French?"
174 posted on 08/07/2003 10:42:28 PM PDT by Once-Ler (This Bushbot sez "I vote Dubya")
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To: DoughtyOne
Well this guy obviously can't point out a single instance on this forum where he has spoken out against aliens crossing our borders illegally.

Please point me to a post that you did not employ effeminate font colorings.

175 posted on 08/07/2003 10:42:35 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: Once-Ler
It's always interesting to meet up with some slave-driving exploiter of criminals every once in a while. How ya doin', pal? Is it OK with you for my tax dollars to be squandered on subsidizing your lettuce picking fence-jumping job thieves? It ain't OK with me.
176 posted on 08/07/2003 10:43:19 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I have been a member for 5 years now, with more than a dozen posts to my name, and will not be able to comply with your wish for a link to any one post. While there are many causes I support and many problems I feel must be addressed, my main concern is to fight moral-liberalism in the culture. It is good that you support American sovereignty and border integrity, provided that no felonious crimes are committed in the process. Conservatives are big on justice, and vigilantism further erodes justice.
177 posted on 08/07/2003 10:43:31 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Tancredo Fan
Those who got busted for busting the invaders are victims of the loathsome illegals, IMO.

Spencer, Simcox and those Ranch Rescue yahoos are victims, eh?

178 posted on 08/07/2003 10:44:13 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
You stated that you were responding to a question, and I should pay attnetion to the posted to number.  I printed both your reply and the comment you responded to in 158.  Now you tell me I can't keep up.  Sheesh fella, it's right there in black and white.  Now evade that.

Not only this you've tried to morph this to Koby, Reform, bitterness and anything else you can think up other than address the illegalities committed by illegal aliens.  That is the general topic of this thread, as related to infractions by US citizens in response to illegal aliens coming across our borders.

The illegalities of our citizens will be judged by a court.  The illegalities of the illegal alien are not being addressed.  We have upwards of 13 million illegals within our borders now.  That should be of concern to you.  That you don't care says volumes about you.
 

179 posted on 08/07/2003 10:45:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ("He's baaaaack!" Now is he on our side or the side of the (political bigger is better) machines.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I'm still waiting for him to answer a question from 2 days ago. Good luck!
180 posted on 08/07/2003 10:46:22 PM PDT by breakem
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