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XM-8: New U.S. Service Rifle?
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Posted on 08/07/2003 10:52:17 AM PDT by Long Cut

Caliber: 5.56x45 mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: no data
Barrel length: no data
Weight: 2.67 kg empty
Rate of fire: no data
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds (STANAG)

The development of the XM8 Lightweight Assault Rifle was initiated by US Army in the 2002, when contract was issued to the Alliant Techsystems Co of USA to study possibilities of development of kinetic energy part of the XM29 OICW weapon into separate lightweight assault rifle, which could, in the case of success, replace the aging M16A2 rifles and M4A1 carbines in US military service. According to the present plans, the XM8 should enter full production circa 2005, if not earlier, several years before the XM-29 OICW. The XM8 (M8 after its official adoption) should become a standard next generation US forces assault rifle. It will fire all standard 5.56mm NATO ammunition, and, to further decrease the load on the future infantrymen, a new type of 5.56mm ammunition is now being developed. This new ammunition will have composite cases, with brass bases and polymer walls, which will reduce weight of the complete ammunition, while maintaining compatibility with all 5.56mm NATO weapons. Along with 20% weight reduction in the XM8 (compared to the current issue M4A1 carbine), this will be a welcome move for any infantryman, already overloaded by protective, communications and other battle equipment.

The XM8 will be quite similar to the "KE" (kinetic energy) part of the XM-29 OICW system, being different mostly in having a telescoped plastic buttstock of adjustable length, and a detachable carrying handle with the Picatinny rail.

Technical description. The XM8 is a derivative of the Heckler-Koch G36 assault rifle, and thus it is almost similar to that rifle in design and functioning. The key differences are the NATO-standard magazine housing that will accept M16-type magazines, the set of Picatinny rails on the forend, telescoped buttstock of adjustable length and a different scope, mounted on the Picatinny rail, built into the detachable carrying handle.


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To: xsrdx
"1MOA, 1 Second per shot, at 1000yds, sustained for 20rds."

This baby came in a variety of flavors, one of them being .300 Winmag. It might be up to the above task in the right hands, though a custom, extended mag (factory is a "6-pack") would be in order

Walther WA2000

641 posted on 02/17/2004 3:25:57 PM PST by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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To: xsrdx
And the price tag on a second six round mag?

$450

642 posted on 02/17/2004 3:38:16 PM PST by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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To: Travis McGee
"Do any of you marksmen think it possible for a man to place 20 shots in a 20-inch circle in 20 seconds at a 1,000 yards? I posed this question to the range masters down at Camp Pendleton many years ago and was told that such a thing was not possible. During much of my life a four-minute mile was deemed to be impossible, to say nothing of motoring around on the surface of the moon.

Easily. But I cheat.

643 posted on 02/17/2004 3:57:48 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
$450

You are joking, right?

644 posted on 02/17/2004 4:01:54 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: B4Ranch; spatzie
I hope the knowledge gained from them will never be needed on American soil, but you never know. Men such as yourself, archy, Sam Cree, Travis McGee, Squantos, Eaker, PoorMuttly, Long Cut, Shooter 2.5, 45Auto, river rat, the list goes on and on, are literally encyclopedias of information that I am proud to say help educate the ignorant, such as myself.

But should it come to that, know two things: our experience is not directly pointed toward that particular theater of operations, and your lack of experience and a predisposition toward doing things in a matter that worked well elsewhere under other conditions may actually be advantageous; there is such a thing as being *poisoned by experience.*

In any event, having someone less experienced who requires explanations of *why* to many basic operational techniques and procedures means that those matters will be under constant review, usually a good thing, and an antidote to *because we've always done it this way....*

The other thing you can count on: if it does come to that, you're welcome to stand beside me when that dark day comes, experienced or not. Your qualifications to do so have little to do with your experience, which is pretty well mostly icing on the cake. I'd expect you'll find quite a few others with the same or similar outlook, as well.

-archy-/-

645 posted on 02/17/2004 4:07:23 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: B4Ranch
"You are joking, right?"

That's from the Walther Factory. Prices for the rifle and other components are, "Available upon request." As I understand, there were less than 200 made in both .300 Winchester Magnum and 7.62 NATO.

646 posted on 02/17/2004 4:08:39 PM PST by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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To: Joe 6-pack; All
OT, but still fun.
647 posted on 02/17/2004 4:19:42 PM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: meatloaf
If I remember correctly, once the "proven G3 roller-delayed system" cycles the brass, it isn't reloadable. I'd stick with the weapons you mentioned, especially the .30-06 or .308.

Though the fluted chamber of a G3 or HK91 leaves striped carbon markings on the fired brass, it cleans up in a tumbler with a minimum of fuss, and can be reloaded without cleaning if so desired. And non-fluted target barrels for the HK91 and police sniper rifles have been fitted to semiauto rifles with no loss in reliability; the fluted chamber feature is largely to preclude case head seperations during extended full-auto fire.

I've also dealt with other MGs, notably the French AAT52, that also use a fluted chamber and really, really need it, and which mark and ding their brass up much worse. In comparison the HK weapons, including the very successful MP5 submachineguns, are reasonably nondestructive of the brass, though the U.S. military rarely deals with reloading once-fired brass...and steel cases really are the coming thing.

648 posted on 02/17/2004 4:20:03 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: tacticalogic
LOL! This was posted some time ago (your doing?), but it's just as funny now as it was then.

Nothing succeeds like excess!

649 posted on 02/17/2004 4:34:16 PM PST by Joe 6-pack ("We deal in hard calibers and hot lead." - Roland Deschaines)
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To: Joe 6-pack
LOL! This was posted some time ago (your doing?), but it's just as funny now as it was then.

Might have been. I was reading about another one a while back that the builder had stamped on the barrel -

Cal. 16lb Brunswick.

650 posted on 02/17/2004 4:37:52 PM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: Old Professer
Hmmm...I had trouble the other day (I think it was last Friday), but it seems ok now.
651 posted on 02/17/2004 5:02:36 PM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: archy
"The other thing you can count on: if it does come to that, you're welcome to stand beside me when that dark day comes, experienced or not. Your qualifications to do so have little to do with your experience, which is pretty well mostly icing on the cake. "

A humble Thank you is all I can say right now.

652 posted on 02/17/2004 5:23:02 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: archy
"having someone less experienced who requires explanations of *why* to many basic operational techniques and procedures means that those matters will be under constant review, usually a good thing, and an antidote to *because we've always done it this way....*"

This is probably the greatest qualification about 'these threads'. You men discuss another persons 'why?' question to a logical conclusion.

When a few others with different ideas surface, the discussion continues without defaming each others experience. You continue to discuss the matter until an agreement amongst you is reached by narrowing down the probabilities and possiblitities. This is most educational for lurkers and the inexperienced, such as myself.

653 posted on 02/17/2004 5:31:06 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: Ford Fairlane
How about the 338 Lapau.

Has the firepower of the 50 cal. without the weight and recoil.

Best sniper round around and will be my next rifle.

Accurate out to 1500 meters. Can enter lightly armoured vehicles and will penetrate an engine block.

Hot damn.

Hey Gunney Ermey..........how about a mail call demonstration?

654 posted on 02/17/2004 5:47:48 PM PST by Radioactive
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To: tacticalogic
I just sent your link off to 15 tinkerers. If they do anything with it, I'll be sure to hear from them. What a blast!
655 posted on 02/17/2004 5:49:10 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: B4Ranch
If they do anything with it, I'll be sure to hear from them.

You, and all their neighbors :)

656 posted on 02/17/2004 5:59:22 PM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: wysiwyg
actually the M-14 is ugly. I think the Garand is the last good looking military rifle.
657 posted on 02/17/2004 6:12:41 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: PoorMuttly
Checked the Brigade site...Ontario has a very nice 8" Bowie with the narrower blade I like...penetration over belly...more a spear point...

Ontario has a really nice tanto blade, thick, comes to a chisel point. I keep it near the front door for exceptionally insistant salespeople

658 posted on 02/17/2004 6:52:17 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (No anchovies!)
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To: Jack Black; archy; Shooter 2.5; All
If we're going for looks, my preference would be a wood-stocked FN-FAL.

SLEEK is the word I think of when I see that one. Reminds me of a fighter jet.

659 posted on 02/17/2004 7:15:46 PM PST by Long Cut (It's Great To Be Home In America, Finally.)
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To: Long Cut
bump for later
660 posted on 02/17/2004 7:18:49 PM PST by P8riot (A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body.)
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