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Moving West is no longer the norm
Yahoo! News ^ | August 6, 2003 | Haya El Nasser

Posted on 08/06/2003 10:34:42 AM PDT by El Conservador

The exodus of millions of people from California and New York in the late 1990s may signal the end of the nation's traditional settlement patterns from East to West.

A series of reports released by the Census Bureau (news - web sites) today shows that most of the people who moved out of New York are going to suburbs in New Jersey and Connecticut or to retirement havens and fast-growing job centers in the Southeast. Most of the people leaving California are going to other Western states such as Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, Washington and Colorado.

California and New York have been anchors in the East-to-West migration for more than a century, with New York dispatching people and California receiving them. But the pattern that has emerged in the past several years is East to East and West to West. The Census numbers, which tracked movement from 1995 through 2000, confirm the extent of the pattern.

"What it shows is that the country is finally filling out," says Robert Lang, an urban expert at Virginia Tech's Metropolitan Institute.

California and New York continue to gain population. But the growth is from births and an influx of immigrants.

The people leaving the two states are altering the economic, cultural and political dynamics of the regions they now call home. Many of the people leaving California, for example, are conservative white voters who have helped transform politics in the Rocky Mountain West from a competitive two-party environment to one that is heavily Republican.

Although New York has lost more people than it has gained from other states for three decades, California's losses are more recent. In the last five years of the 1990s, more people moved out of California than moved in. That is the first time that has happened since 1940, when the Census first began tracking migration. The numbers do not include those who moved from other countries.

About 2.2 million people left California in the late 1990s, when the state was reeling from a series of tumultuous events, including earthquakes (news - web sites), race riots, economic downturns, a wave of foreign immigration and skyrocketing housing prices. Fewer than 1.5 million moved in from other parts of the nation. Nevada was the biggest beneficiary, receiving about 200,000 people from California. Only 60,000 went the other way.

New York, home to many older industrial centers, lost 1.6 million people to other states, compared with about 725,000 who moved in. Most of the people who left New York moved to suburbs in neighboring states and sprawling cities in the Southeast where the job market was booming. The state's aging population has been moving south for decades.

The Census reports also reflect the nation's growing aging population and a desire to escape congestion:

"Part of the movement to the suburbs is moving farther out," says William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bluezone; exodus; migration; redzone
Race and politics...
1 posted on 08/06/2003 10:34:42 AM PDT by El Conservador
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To: El Conservador
"Nevada was the biggest beneficiary, receiving about 200,000 people from California. Only 60,000 went the other way."

I don't know that Nevadans consider themselves "benficiaries." From what I hear in my travels out west many of the people leaving California now are bringing their nut-job ideas on politics and economics with them.

2 posted on 08/06/2003 10:40:16 AM PDT by hometoroost
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To: El Conservador
yep and when they get to the rural areas where they berate the "hicks"
so they move into their country homes...jack up the taxes and drive out the old folks
take over the local govt.s and presto chango
they re-invent their liberal hell holes in the rural areas
You can take the boy outta the city
but you cant take the city outta the boy
3 posted on 08/06/2003 10:41:21 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: El Conservador
I believe that the "Red America" and "Blue America" that we saw in the 2000 general election is well on its way to becoming a more or less permanent feature in American politics. I'm not sure that this is really a good thing, but truth be told it was probably unavoidable. The left and right in this country have become fundamentally irreconcileable.
4 posted on 08/06/2003 10:43:29 AM PDT by jpl
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To: El Conservador
We'd move if it weren't for our age and living her so long which means our family is here and many friekds. But we have thought about it.
5 posted on 08/06/2003 10:44:08 AM PDT by blackbart1
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To: blackbart1
I left ten years ago and I'm a third generation Californian. I miss the beauty of the state, but not the taxes and whacky politics.
6 posted on 08/06/2003 10:47:53 AM PDT by annyokie
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To: hometoroost
I don't know that Nevadans consider themselves "benficiaries."

I considered taking a position in Las Vegas last year. After spending time there and seeing how the place was already on the downhill slide to becoming East California, I declined.

7 posted on 08/06/2003 10:50:52 AM PDT by Prof Engineer (I won't FReep at work, I won't FReep at work, I won't FReep at work, I won't FReep at work)
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To: El Conservador
I can't believe anybody would live in the government/unionthug-clogged northeast.

That being said . . . . . don't move out here!

8 posted on 08/06/2003 10:50:58 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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"The left and right in this country have become fundamentally irreconcileable."

I believe this. This has happened in my lifetime. Non stop nastiness and no one is nastier than the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy that hates and is trying to destroy this country.

I live in DFW and I believe that all the people leaving Kalifornia and NY are moving here. Bah humbug.

9 posted on 08/06/2003 10:52:40 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: joesnuffy
yep and when they get to the rural areas where they berate the "hicks" so they move into their country homes...jack up the taxes and drive out the old folks take over the local govt.s and presto chango they re-invent their liberal hell holes in the rural areas You can take the boy outta the city but you cant take the city outta the boy

I've lived in CA long enough to remember complaining about east coasters bringing their liberalism to CA.

History repeats.

10 posted on 08/06/2003 11:08:58 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: hometoroost
Same here in AZ, some new neighbors were lamenting how bad Kalifornia was and why they left. Then the bitching started about people shooting guns out in the desert. (we live in a little unincorporated community on the Colorado River where dune buggies, 4WD ATV's and guns are the norm) Seems they did not like the noise and thought it was dangerous, so they called the Sheriff's dept. They then got mad as hell at the deputy who told them so long as the shooters kept a 1/4 mile distance from an occupied dwelling, it was perfectly legal.

Now all I hear is how stupid AZ gun laws are, how they hate guns, how only the police should have guns, and yadda, yadda, yadda &c. I have reached my limit on good neighbor tolerance and am ready to tell them to get the hell back to the damn place that was so bad for them.

These very people are the ones that contributed to the self made hell that Kalifornia has become, now they want to make over AZ into Kalifornia east. They are a cancer upon mankind.
11 posted on 08/06/2003 11:29:48 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: garyhope
I live in DFW and I believe that all the people leaving Kalifornia and NY are moving here

They sure as hell are .... so many fruit loops have been transplanted out here it's crazy.

Of course when they tell us how to BBQ they get shot ... so that reduces a few of the dumber ones.

12 posted on 08/06/2003 11:33:06 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: El Conservador
California and New York continue to gain population. But the growth is from births and an influx of immigrants.

Correcton But the growth is from the births of anchor babies and a continuing influx of illegal aliens.

13 posted on 08/06/2003 11:38:08 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: jpl
The good part of that is the left is for gun control. ;^)
14 posted on 08/06/2003 11:50:27 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente
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