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People Leave Calif. Faster Than Moving
AP: Kansas.com ^ | Aug 6, 2003 | GENARO C. ARMAS

Posted on 08/05/2003 11:30:58 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

Posted on Wed, Aug. 06, 2003

People Leave Calif. Faster Than Moving In GENARO C. ARMAS Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Though immigrants kept California's population rising, more people left the state during the latter half of the 1990s than moved in from other states, the Census Bureau says.

It was the first time that's ever happened.

Four reports being released Wednesday offered the most comprehensive look so far at U.S migration in 2000.

Only New York, which lost 874,000 more residents to other states than it took in, had a bigger net decline than California, which lost 755,000. Illinois, New Jersey and Pennsylvania also lost more than they gained.

The figures count only gains and losses between states. California had a big gain when foreign immigrants were counted.

The longtime retirement destination of Florida had the biggest net increase of movers, with 607,000 more people coming in than leaving. Warm-weather states with fast-growing economies in the late 1990s rounded out the top five: Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona and Nevada.

The West had the highest percentage of any region of people who changed residences between 1995 and 2000. Fifty-one percent of people who in 2000 lived in the 13 Western states, including Alaska and Hawaii, had lived at another home in 1995. The percentage includes people whether they moved to a new state or just down the street.

The South, where 48 percent of people changed residences between 1995 and 2000, had the second-most transient population, followed by the Midwest at 44 percent and Northeast at 39 percent.

William Frey, a demographer with the Brookings Institution in Washington, said the California departures could be a sign that residents were fed up with high housing prices and sprawl.

Analysts also noted that although the San Francisco Bay area's economy boomed during the late 1990s, Southern California's economy slumped.

Next-door Nevada was the place of choice for the largest number of exiting Californians: 199,000 settled there.

"People are leaving urbanism and wanting to move where there is more space or more affordable housing," Frey said.

Holly Sharpe spent 15 years living in Los Angeles and Orange County before moving to Henderson, Nev. She headed west in 1997, she said, because she was "going broke" working in the music industry. She said Nevada was attractive in a couple of important ways.

"The cost of living was the most important, and a normal job market," Sharpe said.

Overall, California drew about 1.4 million residents from other states between 1995 and 2000 but lost 2.2 million of its residents.

Spurred by immigration, however, California's population still rose 14 percent, or 4.1 million people, between 1990 and 2000 to nearly 33.9 million. Its foreign-born population rose by more than one-third to almost 8.9 million.

The state lost more residents to other states than it gained for the first time since the government started keeping track of domestic migration statistics in 1940, Census Bureau analyst Jason Schachter said.

The trend may be due in large part to immigrants entering the United States there, then using California as a springboard to find work in other parts of the country, said Dowell Myers, a demographer at the University of Southern California.

The 2000 census showed Hispanic population growth in large cities as well as small towns and rural areas across the country, especially in the Midwest and South.

"California has been the recipient of much of the nation's immigration. The only way you can balance that is by exporting people out of state," Myers said. "These numbers should in no way be attributed as a setback to California."

The report was based on people's responses to the 2000 census long-form question, which asked if the respondent had lived in the same address five years earlier. Those who responded "no" were then asked to say from where they had moved.

Overall, of the 262 million people 5 and older in 2000, 120 million, or 45.9 percent, had moved in the previous five years. That's down slightly from the 46.7 percent of people in the 1990 census who reported having moved.

Schachter said people in their 20s and early 30s are the most apt to move. Rates decline until retirement age, then increase especially after age 85, when many people either are moved to nursing homes or closer to family members who can take care of them.

Those people who move out-of-state typically go to a nearby state.

One exception was New York-to-Florida, a longtime route for retiring New Yorkers. More than 300,000 people traveled that route between 1995 and 2000, the largest flow between two states.

Regardless of where they came from, Florida had a net gain of 149,000 residents age 65 and over from other states, more than any other state.

Other highlights from the reports:

_Nevada had the highest net rate of people moving in, gaining nearly 152 residents for every 1,000 people in 1995. Hawaii lost 65 residents per 1,000 people in 1995, the highest net rate of people moving out.

_There was a net increase of 510,000 of people moving into nonmetropolitan areas, though much of that increase came in counties near fast-growing metropolitan areas like Denver and Atlanta. Such areas are losing their rural feel quickly, Schachter said.

_Two metropolitan areas that prospered during the late 1990s - Washington-Baltimore and San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose - gained immigrants but had a net loss in people moving out of the area.

Despite the high-tech booms in these areas, that might be another sign that the real job growth came in lower-paying jobs, while more educated people may have been lured to smaller, fast-growing areas like Austin, Texas, or Denver, said John Logan, a sociologist at the State University of New York at Albany.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
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1 posted on 08/05/2003 11:30:58 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
California is fast losing its allure as the Golden State.
2 posted on 08/05/2003 11:33:16 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: BurbankKarl
The explanations from the "experts" are ridiculous. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that people are leaving the liberal states and moving to the conservative ones.
3 posted on 08/05/2003 11:37:25 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: goldstategop
>>"California has been the recipient of much of the nation's immigration. The only way you can balance that is by exporting people out of state," Myers said. "These numbers should in no way be attributed as a setback to California." <<

No, trading successful businesspeople and educated professionals, taxpayers all, for third world immigrants and welfare recipients is not a setback in the eyes of an SC demographer.

4 posted on 08/05/2003 11:38:13 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been suspended or banned.)
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To: goldstategop; DoughtyOne; doug from upland
Middle class taxpayers are leaving. We're still getting overrun by illegals. Bush is doing NOTHING stop the flood of illegals. Nothing!

Meanwhile, our jobs continue to vanish with each passing day.

On the bright side, we're going to get that wonderful medicare boondoggle.
5 posted on 08/05/2003 11:38:30 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: Jeff Chandler
Can't do anything about illegals. Wouldn't be prudent.
6 posted on 08/05/2003 11:39:22 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: BurbankKarl
People Leave Calif. Faster Than Moving In

Lord, I hope it's true. If 10 million left by tomorrow morning, it wouldn't be too soon for me.

7 posted on 08/05/2003 11:45:12 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: BurbankKarl
Only New York, which lost 874,000 more residents to other states than it took in, had a bigger net decline than California, which lost 755,000. Illinois, New Jersey and Pennsylvania also lost more than they gained.

Hmmm, what do these states have in common folks?  There are actually four things.  Number one the three states above are three of five of the states with the highest population concentrations of illegal aliens.  Number two.  These states are losing citizens because they are sick of dealing with illegal aliens and the problems they present.  Number three is they just happen to have the most electoral votes for the time being.  And number four, these and two other states have just about enough votes to take the electoral college victory.  This isn't simple illegal immigration to find a better lifestyle folks.  This is by design and there is a method to this madness.

The five largest populations of illegal aliens are, California, Florida, Illinois, New York and Texas.  If people think some of these folks aren't voting, they should think again.

8 posted on 08/05/2003 11:45:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I might not be legion, but then I'm not ashamed of what I say enough to post under different names.)
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To: DoughtyOne
My cousins are all leaving Rochester NY for South Carolina. They all have big houses of $50-60k and annual property tax payments at 10%...plus most used to work for Kodak.

Bye bye bye.
9 posted on 08/05/2003 11:47:44 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Are you joking? The people leaving this state are the middle class taxpayers. All that's going to be left when they're gone are Hollyweird lefties and illegal aliens.
10 posted on 08/05/2003 11:49:31 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: BurbankKarl
While I certainly understand why these folks are leaving, I think it's very very very very very important for US citizens march on their capitals and demand this nonsense stop. Illegal aliens MUST be evicted. We CANNOT just run from them and abandon our nation to them.
11 posted on 08/05/2003 11:50:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I might not be legion, but then I'm not ashamed of what I say enough to post under different names.)
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To: DoughtyOne
You're right, running away won't help.

The Republicans won't do anything about illegal aliens because: (1) big business likes things the way they are, and (2) Karl Rove/Bush are playing their stupid games to win re-election even if it screws us for the next three generations

Pat Buchanan is being proved right, sad to say.
12 posted on 08/05/2003 11:53:17 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose
Are you joking? The people leaving this state are the middle class taxpayers. All that's going to be left when they're gone are Hollyweird lefties and illegal aliens.

Good, that means when all the tax payers are gone, there will be no one left to support the illegals. LOL! It's a win win.

13 posted on 08/05/2003 11:55:08 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: BurbankKarl
These States are the most RED States. They have been the most dominated by hardcore socialist Democrats.

I'll bet the States with the most migration incoming are more likely to be Republican, pro-liberty States.
14 posted on 08/05/2003 11:57:48 PM PDT by Mark Felton ("All liberty flows from the barrel of a gun")
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To: DoughtyOne
Remember that Karl Rove had Congressman Tom Tancredo BANISHED from the White House because he had the temerity to talk about illegal aliens! Last I heard, the White House has been looking to recruit a primary challenge for Tancredo. Outrageous.


The White House works for us, not Vicente Fox. Or at least that's the way it should be!
15 posted on 08/05/2003 11:59:05 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose
Pat Buchanan is being proved right, sad to say.

Yes he is. And those in others states are now finding that out in a big way, as their state politicos, in concert with the federal government, are all panding to the illegals, just as they did in Cal.

I actually find it amusing watching people flee to all points, only to have the illegals standing in line in front of them, when they get to where their going.....

16 posted on 08/06/2003 12:09:38 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: ambrose
Yes it is sad. And I'm not self centered enough to be thrilled he is being proven right either. It's a blight on our nation that his opinion has been proven to be so rock solid with regard to immigration in the late 80s and early 90s.

Look how much we have lost, how much it has cost us, how much/many our fellow citizens suffered an died, how many civil rights we have watched threatened by this situation, how many wars and battles we've had to wage and will wage after 09/11, and how many troops have died.

We could have easily avoided every stinking bit of this. Even today we are willing to see it all happen again. We allow people from terrorist states to come here. We leave our borders wide open.

And people never pass a chance to damn Buchanan. Simply amazing.

I have my differences with him. On some issues he's dead wrong. If he had been able to debate the immigration issue with Dole and Bush, at least it would have received coverage. Nope, he was kept out. The process, maniplated by the major parties failed us. At least IMO.

I would have been satisfied if Buchanan could have gotten this single issue across to bush.
17 posted on 08/06/2003 12:18:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I might not be legion, but then I'm not ashamed of what I say enough to post under different names.)
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To: Moonman62
William Frey, a demographer with the Brookings Institution in Washington, said the California departures could be a sign that residents were fed up with high housing prices and sprawl.

Why does'nt this jack@$$ just say, "This could be a sign that residents were fed up with abortion restrictions and a ban on gay marraige"? It would be as accurate as the foolish assessment he is making now.

The answer is of course a bad state economy, high taxes, and a ridiculous cost of living.

This reminds of the late 90's when recruitment and re-enlistments were way down in the military. Every liberal pundit attributed it to a good economy without asking one person who was actually in the military - which said almost to a tee that it was because of a bad commander in chief who cared nothing about them. Yet liberal punditry refused to face the facts.

18 posted on 08/06/2003 12:24:41 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: goldstategop
California is fast becoming the golden "shower" state.
19 posted on 08/06/2003 12:28:17 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Buchanan was his own worst enemy at times. So at times, it was hard to separate the message from the messenger.

I'll say this: I think Bush will be toast if we take a major terrorist hit from people coming across the border from Mexico. Even after Sept. 11th, nothing has been done to tighten our borders.
20 posted on 08/06/2003 12:28:46 AM PDT by ambrose
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