FOX NEWS: Rev. Gene Robinson Confirmed As Episcopal Church Bishop

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[Brian S]

Rev. Gene Robinson Confirmed As Episcopal Church Bishop

[altura]

I intend to stay Episcopalian and stay conservative.

If my local church or Bishop becomes left wing, then I'll have a choice to make.

I don't believe you have a right to characterize my decision as based on "staying in familiar company."

However, if you think you do, go ahead. Oh, wait, you already did.

[egomeimihi]

I suspect in time that the Catholic church will ordain woman and homosexuals as well.

A little leaven.

That will happen as soon as the Catholic church permits abortion. At present, they don't even allow birth control, and the pope has excluded the ordination of women on the basis of dogma, not doctrine (though I don't believe it was stated "ex cathedra"). Does the term "depositum fidei" signify anything to you?

[B-Chan]

Is His Eminence Bernard Cardinal Law still the Ecclesiastical Delegate?

I'm pretty sure he's not; my understanding is that the title lapsed when he resigned. To my knowledge, Rome has yet to name a new Delegate for the Pastoral Provision. If I'm wrong, I ask that some sage Freeper please educate me.

That being said: even if Cardinal Law were to still be our Delegate, that fact does not reflect badly upon the Anglican Use parishes here in the U.S. Cardinal Law never had any influence over our parishes as far as catechesis, liturgical use, or other aspects of Catholic worship; his role was essentially administrative, not magisterial.

[altura]

That is an extremely hateful and, might I say, stupid remark.

Episcopalians read from the Old and New Testaments at EVERY service and also from the gospel. How many churches do that?

[PFKEY]

Does the term "depositum fidei" signify anything to you?

No, what does it mean?

[two23]

"On face value that is what I would call a Christian church."

Yes, and with all the recent Church scandals (of the sexual nature), I just wonder if God is exposing the corruption to give truth-seekers an opportunity to make a life changing decision?

Non-denominational means freedom from man-made dogma and allows the Spirit to work in the life of the individual.

Not as important: but in a small, local non-denominational, you can actually see where your contributions go. Our church has a Pastor, he is supported by the elders who also minister to the body of the church and the community, then there's the Youth Pastor, the Music Ministry and Sunday School teachers. All needs, issues, and requests, are considered in Prayer. Close knit, close to home and Word of God Governed.

[Danrec]

It breaks my heart to see a one-time great church go down this road to schism. The American church will split with a great deal of bitterness. The priestly orders will also probably be lost which was a part of the Lambeth Conference.(You can't consecrate that which is unconsecratable, ie, a homosexual) The EC started down the wrong road many years ago when they allowed the ordination of women which although I tend to agree with that in principle, was ramrodden through without allowing it to be brought up again twice more as the canons stated. They promptly lost a million members. This will now happen again and another million will be lost taking them to a little over a million. Great job guys! on the way to schism. Drop dead.

[ElkGroveDan]

Later in the afternoon they also voted to repeal the laws of gravity.

Unfortunately dozens were injured as they jumped off their chairs in an attempt fly around the room. One prominent Episcopal convention goer, a supporter of Robinson, was seen writhing in pain asking "What went wrong? We had the votes to repeal the laws of gravity!" We control this convention darn it!"

[B-Chan]

“There's no future in being a Pharisee, Fifth Business. Why don't you try a little Christian charity every once in a while? It tastes better than bile -- and it could save your soul as well as your stomach lining. ”

Sorry. I was not trying to be bilious.

Apology accepted.

Your opportunism is offensive to me.

I respect that, but in fact I'm not being an opportunist. Even a cursory check of my previous messages will reveal that I began posting the “Anglican Come Home” message (and link to the Pastoral Provision site) long before the current disaster within the Episcopal Church began.

The Anglican Use movement is an exciting alternative for the orthodox Episcopalian who has been abandoned by his/her church. If bringing that alternative to the attention of our Episcopal brothers and sisters counts as opportunism, then color me opportunist.

[PFKEY]

I would take some exceptions to what you include and exclude as man-made doctrines/dogma.

But I suspect that is true for all.

[ultima ratio]

You have me confused with NYer who wrote #160--and with whom I often disagree. There is not a word you have said that I can find fault with. The situation in the Catholic Church is wretched--and growing worse.

[TexanToTheCore]

Tagline: "Catholic.Monarchist.Texan. Any questions?"

Yeah. How's the weahter in Austin?

[altura]

You are exactly right about this.

Although I am for the ordination of women and now have a woman priest that I respect and admire, this was pushed through in a wrong manner.

The first wave of women priest candidates were not attractive people ... I've had contact with a couple. I never got the impression they were about a call to the priesthood or even about religion. It was about politics with a lot of man hating thrown in.

In another 7 or 8 years, the decision would have been made naturally without the rancor ... but, no, these women couldn't wait.

Like this gay Bishop, they believed their cause was holy. Their cause was their religion, just as his cause is his, not anything to do with God or Jesus. Although, I'm glad women are in the priesthood, those early women hurt the church just as "gene" will hurt it.

Sadly, they just don't care. It's all about them and their cause.

I am very curious to see what our Bishop (Stanton) will do.

[Conservative_Rob]

Then tell me how a practicing sodomite can become a bishop?? Where is the repentance??? How do you get around what is written in the Bible???

Reading selected passages that "tickle your ears" and make you "feel good" is worthless if you ignore the rest of the Bible.

2 Timothy 3:12-17

In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

[tinamina]

The National Cathedral in Washington DC is an Episcopal Cathedral, part of the worldwide Anglican Communion. "Anglican" comes from the Church of England. The most vibrant growing Anglican churches are in Africa, which are now sending their missionries to the USA where the need is great.

[browardchad]

the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement

I suppose they meet in the same place as the Pro-Choice Christian Movement. I had a mother tell me yesterday that she's "a Christian woman," but her 17-year-old daughter (who failed to take the birth-control pills her mother supplied) is having an abortion before she starts college in the fall. It was said with just about as much moral anguish as if she were having a tooth pulled.

I sympathize with Episcopalians who truly live their faith, but I fear there are many more Christians -- like this woman -- who consider themselves followers of Christ only because they belong to a church -- and it wouldn't matter to them whether their bishop is a saint or a drag queen, in much the same way that Clinton's sexual antics in the oval office were his "private business." Truly sad.

[Fifth Business]

The Anglican Use movement is an exciting alternative for the orthodox Episcopalian who has been abandoned by his/her church. If bringing that alternative to the attention of our Episcopal brothers and sisters counts as opportunism, then color me opportunist.

I understand your rational. However, you and your fellow RC brethren are inundating every one of these gay-bishop threads with calls of "Come Home to Rome." It's sanctimonious, it's arrogant, and it's offensive. I don't know if you've noticed, but people who care about the Episcopal church are very upset tonight. Easing off of your evangelism might be in order.

[altura]

Oh, blah, blah, blah.

What does all your nattering have to do with saying the Bible is toilet paper to Episcopalians?

We could argue the Bible all night (and you probably would).

[egomeimihi]

Does the term "depositum fidei" signify anything to you?

No, what does it mean?

It's Latin for "deposit of faith," and refers to the teachings handed down from the times of the Apostles. The canonical books of the Bible are part of that deposit, as are the official dogmas of the Catholic church. The Catholic church's moral teachings on sexuality, as defined in the New Testament and Tradition, are part of that deposit. The Catholic church's entire claim to authority is based upon its being entrusted with preserving and handing down that tradition. In short, if the Catholic church were to ever change the "depositum fidei," it would be undermining its entire claim to be the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church. I doubt that will ever happen (and hold as a matter of faith that it will not, since Christ promised that "the gates of Hell shall not prevail").