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The "Gun Culture"? No... It's the CRIME CULTURE, stupid!
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Posted on 07/28/2003 9:03:46 AM PDT by King Prout

Leftists, the softheaded, and the bleeding-hearted in media, politics, and academe talk a lot about guns and crime. Seldom does a day pass without some smug, smarmy, avuncular or nannyish talking head spouting off on national television, expounding on the "obvious" causal link between availability of guns and violent crime, selling yet another installation of "reasonable" restrictions on the rights of law-abiding citizens, yet another iteration of the incremental erosion of the most fundamental of all of out natural rights.

They talk a lot, these media darlings. Buth they never really say anything, do they? One would think that blowing holes in their vaporous arguments would be as easy as pie, wouldn't you? A task so easily done that it would of course have BEEN done, completely, with no chance of evasion, some dozens of years ago. But, no, it hasn't. It hasn't, the lid to this particular coffin HAS NOT been nailed shut, because we of and on the Right have never had the guts to speak the principle truth that these fools so studiously ignore.

Well, I -for one- am fed up.

Here is the basic, ugly, unvarnished truth:

The crime rate in this country is not caused by guns. It is not caused by the real, traditional gun-culture which the anti-gunners like to call "the gun nuts". It is not even caused by this vague, amorphous, indescript thing they have trumped up as the "culture of violence".

The crime rate in this country is caused by THE CRIME CULTURE.

You know, that culture which espouses the principles of the irresponsible scofflaw, the rogue, the ruffian, the bad-boy, the barbarian, that behaving badly is "cool", that committing felonies for fun and profit is A-OK, and that the rest of us must always "tolerate" it in the name of "diversity". To put the crime rate in this country to decline, we must address this culture, and those who actively promulgate it, directly and harshly.

This truth is self-evident. To start from any lesser premise is to lose the debate.

That is something we can no longer afford to do.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; bias; crime; media; rkba
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just irked.
1 posted on 07/28/2003 9:03:47 AM PDT by King Prout
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To: mhking; Joe Brower; Travis McGee
Mike - this might be worth pinging to your B/C list.

Joe&Travis - if you approve, ping away. If not? Hammer away without mercy.
2 posted on 07/28/2003 9:05:49 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: King Prout
Amen!
3 posted on 07/28/2003 9:06:02 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: AD from SpringBay
good LORD that was quick! :)
4 posted on 07/28/2003 9:07:00 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: King Prout
Did you ever noticed that the newspapers will report a shooting as "Automatic weapons kills 15 year old". If the kid gets run over they don't say "88 Buick Kills 15 Year old" they say "Drunk Driver Kills Kid". If the deed is done with a gun, the gun is to blame. If it's done with anything else it's the fault of the criminal.
5 posted on 07/28/2003 9:07:08 AM PDT by mbynack
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To: King Prout
Welcome to FR.
6 posted on 07/28/2003 9:09:49 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: mbynack
noticed. hated. finally run out of patience for it.
enough is enough.
7 posted on 07/28/2003 9:10:09 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: Shooter 2.5
thanks.
The pool is up for how long I'll last ;)
8 posted on 07/28/2003 9:10:46 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: King Prout
Well said!!

A much cleaner version than I would have stated.

9 posted on 07/28/2003 9:12:07 AM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: King Prout
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684832259/qid=1059408652/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/103-4675264-8776612?v=glance&s=books
10 posted on 07/28/2003 9:12:29 AM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: King Prout
expounding on the "obvious" causal link between availability of guns and violent crime

Two things.....

1) Have these liberals ever tried to PURCHASE a gun? Cause it ain't like buying milk.

2) Of all the violent crime......how much is propagated by PERMIT HOLDERS?

Close to ZERO, I'm willing to bet. I read recently (can't recall where) that out of 180 thousand+ permits to carry concealed issued last year FOUR were revoked.

11 posted on 07/28/2003 9:13:03 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: glock rocks; NormsRevenge
FYI
12 posted on 07/28/2003 9:15:16 AM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: mbynack
Have you ever noticed the description "gunman" when a gun is involved? You'll never see "batman", "knifeman", or "rockman" when some is beaten, stabbed, or bludgeoned with a rock, but "gunman" just rolls off their lips and out of their pens and keyboards so easily and automatically.
13 posted on 07/28/2003 9:16:32 AM PDT by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: KantianBurke
thanks! I just ordered a copy.
14 posted on 07/28/2003 9:18:31 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: King Prout
A couple of simple rules help me.

If they make you angry, they won. I try to keep my head when I post.

There isn't a problem when I wrote out a couple of paragraphs just to get it out of my system and then deleted the message.

When I'm wrong, I try to apologize.

The real enemy are the libs and the anti-gun people.

Saying what won't be done really doesn't impress anyone. Saying what a person has done or will do is better.

15 posted on 07/28/2003 9:20:27 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Puppage
well... Sean Penn, a convicted felon (assault and battery of a papparazzi) has both a CA carry permit and at least one handgun.
I suspect, for the Kultural Elite Leftists, it's a matter of "rights for me, not for thee"
16 posted on 07/28/2003 9:20:54 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: *bang_list; King Prout
What you said. As someone much wise than I has previously said, "Liberals are people who kill babies while and baby killers". Short, sweet and to the point.

As for the "crime culture" you mention, again, spot-on. Look where we, as a society, currently worshup. It's beyond reproach how degenerate "gangstas" and other assorted scum are now pop icons, worshipped by the ignorant masses who, God help us, will someday be in charge.

God save the Republic. Please.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

17 posted on 07/28/2003 9:21:34 AM PDT by Joe Brower ("If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all." - J. Hornberger)
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To: Badray
You'll never see "batman", "knifeman", or "rockman" when some is beaten, stabbed, or bludgeoned with a rock, but "gunman" just rolls off their lips and out of their pens and keyboards so easily and automatically.

Can you imagine the feedback if someone wrote "Batman Kills Joker in Bar Fight"? I bet even Jason Blair would have had trouble with that one.

18 posted on 07/28/2003 9:21:37 AM PDT by mbynack
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To: Shooter 2.5
I'll try to bear all that in mind.
Especially the bit about keeping my cool.
19 posted on 07/28/2003 9:22:05 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: mbynack
rolling... just ROLLING!
20 posted on 07/28/2003 9:23:21 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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