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Bush, Republicans losing support of retired veterans
Knight Ridder ^ | 07-28-03

Posted on 07/28/2003 7:32:04 AM PDT by Brian S

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - President Bush and his Republican Party are facing a political backlash from an unlikely group - retired veterans.

Normally Republican, many retired veterans are mad that Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress are blocking remedies to two problems with health and pension benefits. They say they feel particularly betrayed by Bush, who appealed to them in his 2000 campaign, and who vowed on the eve of his inauguration that "promises made to our veterans will be promises kept."

"He pats us on the back with his speeches and stabs us in the back with his actions," said Charles A. Carter of Shawnee, Okla., a retired Navy senior chief petty officer. "I will vote non-Republican in a heart beat if it continues as is."

"I feel betrayed," said Raymond C. Oden Jr., a retired Air Force Chief Master Sergeant now living in Abilene, Texas.

Many veterans say they will not vote for Bush or any Republican in 2004 and are considering voting for a Democrat for the first time. Others say they will sit out the election, angry with Bush and Republicans but unwilling to support Democrats, whom they say are no better at keeping promises to veterans. Some say they will still support Bush and his party despite their ire.

While there are no recent polls to measure veterans' political leanings, any significant erosion of support for Bush and Republicans could hurt in a close election. It could be particularly troublesome in states such as Florida that are politically divided and crowded with military retirees.

Registered Republican James Cook, who retired to Fort Walton Beach, Fla., after 24 years in the Air Force, said he is abandoning a party that he said abandoned him. "Bush is a liar," he said. "The Republicans in Congress, with very few exceptions, are gutless party lapdogs who listen to what puts money in their own pockets or what will get them re-elected."

Veterans have two gripes.

One is a longstanding complaint that some disabled vets, in effect, have to pay their own disability benefits out of their retirement pay through a law they call the Disabled Veterans Tax.

Since 1891, anyone retiring after a full military career has had their retirement pay reduced dollar for dollar for any Veterans Administration checks they get for a permanent service-related disability. However, a veteran who served a two-or-four-year tour does not have a similar reduction in Social Security or private pension.

A majority of members of Congress, from both parties, wants to change the law. A House proposal by Rep. Jim Marshall, D-Ga., has 345 co-sponsors.

But it would cost as much as $5 billion a year to expand payments to 670,000 disabled veterans, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld earlier this month told lawmakers that the president would veto any bill including the change.

The proposal is stuck in committee. A recent effort to bring it to the full House of Representatives failed, in part because only one Republican signed the petition.

"The cost is exorbitant. And we are dealing with a limited budget," said Harald Stavenas, a spokesman for the House Armed Services Committee.

The second complaint is over medical care. After decades of promising free medical care for life to anyone who served for 20 years, the government in the 1990s abandoned the promise in favor of a new system called Tricare. The Tricare system provides medical care, but requires veterans to pay a deductible and does not cover dental, hearing or vision care.

A group of military retirees challenged the government in a class-action lawsuit, won a first round, then were seriously disappointed when Bush allowed the government to appeal. Government won the next legal round.

"I voted for the president because of the promises," said Floyd Sears, a retired Air Force master sergeant in Biloxi, Miss. "But as far as I can tell, he has done nothing. In fact, his actions have been detrimental to the veterans and retired veterans. I'm very disappointed about the broken promise on medical care."

Stavenas said House and Senate negotiators were working this week on proposals to address the veterans' two specific complaints. He added that Congress has increased spending for veterans' benefits, including a 5 percent increase next year for the Veterans Health Administration.

Christine Iverson, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, said: "The Bush administration and the Republican Congress have taken and will continue to take steps to enhance benefits for our veterans."

Not all military retirees will vote against Republicans, of course. Some, like retired Air Force Lt. Col. Gene DiBartolo of Tampa, will vote for Bush again gladly.

Though he believes his fellow veterans have a just complaint, he said the government simply cannot "do everything."

As for Bush, he said, "he has restored honor and dignity to this nation ...

"It would take a lot more than this issue to dissuade me from my support of this man."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrine; dav; gwb2004; promises; retirees; veterans; veteransvote
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To: ohioWfan
How can somebody proclaim to be a member of Pres Bush's base and never voted for him? That boggles the mind and shows the sheer lunacy of some of these posts.

Anyone that didn't like him as the Texas Governor -- I thought he was great and did a lot for Texas Education BTW not to mention he introduced the Texas card in lieu of food stamps which was fantastic -- is not a Republican IMHO and comes from a 3rd party -- Perot comes to mind.




221 posted on 07/28/2003 2:49:46 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: ohioWfan
I know she is a she because I talk to her all the time.
222 posted on 07/28/2003 2:50:24 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Brian S
Retired vets are the base? Is this true? Don't they all vote Democrat all the time because of retirement bennies?
223 posted on 07/28/2003 2:52:16 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Keep your promises or lose my vote. Simple as that.

I'm curious, what did Bush lie about?

224 posted on 07/28/2003 2:52:45 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Dane
Or one of those Texans that supported Perot and didn't bother to see what he stood for except to get Clinton elected.

225 posted on 07/28/2003 2:52:46 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: Brian S
Bump for later reading.
226 posted on 07/28/2003 2:53:19 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: RightWhale
Remember the American Legion and how they welcomed Clinton over and over again with loud applause. That spoke volumes to me!

Personally they sound like the Wage Board Union people of the Government -- gimme, gimme, gimme!
227 posted on 07/28/2003 2:54:05 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: ohioWfan
(Another member of the 'team?')

Member of what team? Bush basher team? You won't find me on the Bush bashing threads. Gore team? I voted for Bush.

I showed up because you were wrongfully attacking a friend of mine. I'm sorry if you think that was wrong.

228 posted on 07/28/2003 2:55:45 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: PhiKapMom; Dane; ohioWfan
Or one of those Texans that supported Perot and didn't bother to see what he stood for except to get Clinton elected.

Wrong! Your assumptions are laughable knowing the person you are talking about. Too bad you don't get to know her instead of attacking her. Not one of you bothered to ask what Bush had done as Gov. that turned her from voting for him for Pres. How can you judge without this information. And even if you disagree with the ultimate answer, does that justify such attacks?

229 posted on 07/28/2003 3:01:04 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend; carenot
I didn't 'attack her.' It's just preposterous to claim your part of someone's 'base' and at the same time admit you never voted for him.

And claiming to be a Conservative does not make it so. There's no way in the world that anyone would suspect that she's the real deal from the antagonistic tenor of her posts.

230 posted on 07/28/2003 3:01:59 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: PhiKapMom
I'm thinking of my own grandfather, a vet who seemed very conservative, yet didn't seem to know there was any other party than the party of Harry Truman. He became personal friends with some high ranking Dems and began a very Liberal-oriented lecture tour. It got so we couldn't discuss anything except how to properly care for library books.
231 posted on 07/28/2003 3:02:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: farmfriend; carenot
Why don't you ask your friend to present herself in a more pleasant manner if you're going to get so upset at the reaction to her posts?

There are a whole lot of very reasonable people who have gotten the same impression that there's something strange about her claims.....

232 posted on 07/28/2003 3:07:59 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: RightWhale
My Grandfather who was a farmer became a straight Republican voter after switching from the Democrats because of FDR. My Mom always told the story of him switching when she was growing up. I grew up in a very Republican household to say the least.
233 posted on 07/28/2003 3:11:36 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: ohioWfan
I didn't 'attack her.' It's just preposterous to claim your part of someone's 'base' and at the same time admit you never voted for him.

She said she was part of "the" base not "his" base. Maybe you didn't attack directly but you agreed with an attack.

I think you may be right, Dane. He's also a bit confused.........which supports the gorebot theory......

And claiming to be a Conservative does not make it so. There's no way in the world that anyone would suspect that she's the real deal from the antagonistic tenor of her posts.

I haven't seen any antagonistic posts from her. All she said was that she didn't vote for Bush. She has problems with some of Bush's policies. This does not mean she is not conservative or ultraconservative or a Gorebot but you all have decided, in error, that it does.

234 posted on 07/28/2003 3:12:58 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: ohioWfan
Why don't you ask your friend to present herself in a more pleasant manner

Why don't you show me the posts where she didn't? Back up your claim please.

235 posted on 07/28/2003 3:14:12 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: carenot
carenot is a solid conservative and a good and decent person. Those of you who are accusing her of being a liberal are either misinformed, ignorant, or just plain stupid.
236 posted on 07/28/2003 3:14:40 PM PDT by Scutter
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To: farmfriend; carenot
carenot.......you have a very loyal friend here. Thank her.
237 posted on 07/28/2003 3:14:45 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: Fred Mertz
"But it would cost as much as $5 billion a year to expand payments to 670,000 disabled veterans, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld earlier this month told lawmakers that the president would veto any bill including the change"

Let's weigh this, ten billion to Africa to throw away down a tin pot dictators rat hole. Five billion on a Farm Bill, let's don't even peek at the prescription drug program. Yet the skin flints in D.C. can't afford to pay our brave men both disability and retirement.

Bush who has never vetoed a liberal bill, CFR, the education bill, a billion more to the U.N., jumps up with a snarl and threatens our veterans with his nasty veto pen. We call that double dealing where I come from.

238 posted on 07/28/2003 3:14:50 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: ohioWfan
carenot isn't a Gorebot. She just doesn't like Bush. One can be conservative and not like Bush.

NFP

239 posted on 07/28/2003 3:14:57 PM PDT by Notforprophet (A leg of lamb, a jug of wine, and thou! Alone together, whistling in the darkness.)
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To: farmfriend; carenot
I know she is a she because I talk to her all the time

And who did she vote for in the 2000 Presidential election.

That's all I'm asking.

I voted for Bush, why is carenot so afraid to say who she voted for.

240 posted on 07/28/2003 3:16:01 PM PDT by Dane
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