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Bush, Republicans losing support of retired veterans
Knight Ridder ^ | 07-28-03

Posted on 07/28/2003 7:32:04 AM PDT by Brian S

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - President Bush and his Republican Party are facing a political backlash from an unlikely group - retired veterans.

Normally Republican, many retired veterans are mad that Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress are blocking remedies to two problems with health and pension benefits. They say they feel particularly betrayed by Bush, who appealed to them in his 2000 campaign, and who vowed on the eve of his inauguration that "promises made to our veterans will be promises kept."

"He pats us on the back with his speeches and stabs us in the back with his actions," said Charles A. Carter of Shawnee, Okla., a retired Navy senior chief petty officer. "I will vote non-Republican in a heart beat if it continues as is."

"I feel betrayed," said Raymond C. Oden Jr., a retired Air Force Chief Master Sergeant now living in Abilene, Texas.

Many veterans say they will not vote for Bush or any Republican in 2004 and are considering voting for a Democrat for the first time. Others say they will sit out the election, angry with Bush and Republicans but unwilling to support Democrats, whom they say are no better at keeping promises to veterans. Some say they will still support Bush and his party despite their ire.

While there are no recent polls to measure veterans' political leanings, any significant erosion of support for Bush and Republicans could hurt in a close election. It could be particularly troublesome in states such as Florida that are politically divided and crowded with military retirees.

Registered Republican James Cook, who retired to Fort Walton Beach, Fla., after 24 years in the Air Force, said he is abandoning a party that he said abandoned him. "Bush is a liar," he said. "The Republicans in Congress, with very few exceptions, are gutless party lapdogs who listen to what puts money in their own pockets or what will get them re-elected."

Veterans have two gripes.

One is a longstanding complaint that some disabled vets, in effect, have to pay their own disability benefits out of their retirement pay through a law they call the Disabled Veterans Tax.

Since 1891, anyone retiring after a full military career has had their retirement pay reduced dollar for dollar for any Veterans Administration checks they get for a permanent service-related disability. However, a veteran who served a two-or-four-year tour does not have a similar reduction in Social Security or private pension.

A majority of members of Congress, from both parties, wants to change the law. A House proposal by Rep. Jim Marshall, D-Ga., has 345 co-sponsors.

But it would cost as much as $5 billion a year to expand payments to 670,000 disabled veterans, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld earlier this month told lawmakers that the president would veto any bill including the change.

The proposal is stuck in committee. A recent effort to bring it to the full House of Representatives failed, in part because only one Republican signed the petition.

"The cost is exorbitant. And we are dealing with a limited budget," said Harald Stavenas, a spokesman for the House Armed Services Committee.

The second complaint is over medical care. After decades of promising free medical care for life to anyone who served for 20 years, the government in the 1990s abandoned the promise in favor of a new system called Tricare. The Tricare system provides medical care, but requires veterans to pay a deductible and does not cover dental, hearing or vision care.

A group of military retirees challenged the government in a class-action lawsuit, won a first round, then were seriously disappointed when Bush allowed the government to appeal. Government won the next legal round.

"I voted for the president because of the promises," said Floyd Sears, a retired Air Force master sergeant in Biloxi, Miss. "But as far as I can tell, he has done nothing. In fact, his actions have been detrimental to the veterans and retired veterans. I'm very disappointed about the broken promise on medical care."

Stavenas said House and Senate negotiators were working this week on proposals to address the veterans' two specific complaints. He added that Congress has increased spending for veterans' benefits, including a 5 percent increase next year for the Veterans Health Administration.

Christine Iverson, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, said: "The Bush administration and the Republican Congress have taken and will continue to take steps to enhance benefits for our veterans."

Not all military retirees will vote against Republicans, of course. Some, like retired Air Force Lt. Col. Gene DiBartolo of Tampa, will vote for Bush again gladly.

Though he believes his fellow veterans have a just complaint, he said the government simply cannot "do everything."

As for Bush, he said, "he has restored honor and dignity to this nation ...

"It would take a lot more than this issue to dissuade me from my support of this man."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrine; dav; gwb2004; promises; retirees; veterans; veteransvote
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To: freekitty
Another story to ambush Bush.

We report, you decide!

201 posted on 07/28/2003 1:53:35 PM PDT by carenot
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To: hchutch
But understand that he won't owe you a damn thing if he's re-elected.

So who does he owe now?

202 posted on 07/28/2003 1:55:49 PM PDT by carenot
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To: PhiKapMom
Do believe calling us Bushbots outs them! They are behind the times!

Hahaaa.
BUSHBOT!

203 posted on 07/28/2003 1:57:13 PM PDT by carenot
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To: mabelkitty
Why would it cost $5 BILLION for less than a million retired vets? That's insane!

Do the math, it's not as much as you think, but anytime the government is involved, the figures will be screwy.

Either way, just in general, putting aside disabled vets, etc., I've been hearing for years about how the government has been screwing over vets and retirees from friends who retired before I did. I haven't had too much of a chance to experience it yet, I went straight into the civilian job market, but ask me in fifteen years about the government and how it treats vets/retirees, and I'll probably have a strong opinion for you ;-)

204 posted on 07/28/2003 1:59:00 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: ohioWfan
Signed up July 11, 2003. Who are you really??

Signed up 3-02-01.

Who are you?

205 posted on 07/28/2003 2:02:29 PM PDT by carenot
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To: carenot
Uh carenot would you like to answer the question of asked of you in reply #196.

Who did you vote for in 2000?

I voted for Bush, no reason for you to be embarassed on who you voted for President in 2000.

Oh that's right you won't answer the question. You got some malcontentism(per the Carville memo) to spread.

206 posted on 07/28/2003 2:05:20 PM PDT by Dane
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To: carenot
Well HE got banned, and I'm wondering who, or WHAT you are......

Do you work as a team in idiocy, and are you next to get the ZOT?

You're motives are kinda transparent, too, fella.......

207 posted on 07/28/2003 2:06:18 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: olliemb
character and dazzlement will not make up for national security.

You trying to tell me we have a strong national security plan in place now? Go tell that to the folks along the Mexico border who are getting taken over by illegals every day. Are they a threat? My vote says they are.

208 posted on 07/28/2003 2:10:56 PM PDT by SLB
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To: Poohbah
Like I said, that portion of "the base" never went to the polls for Bush in the first place.

I was one of the base. "They" pushed Bush on us.
I didn't like him when he was my Governor.

I did not vote for him.

209 posted on 07/28/2003 2:15:52 PM PDT by carenot
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To: carenot
Ummmm.......if you didn't vote for him, you were NOT one of his base....... Duhhhhh
210 posted on 07/28/2003 2:19:30 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: carenot
I did not vote for him

Okay it seems that you are up to reply #113.

Who exactly did your vote for in 2000?

I voted for Bush.

Your turn to show some honesty and not Clinton like procrastination, fraudulence, and pseudo coyness to find the "perfect answer", IMO.

211 posted on 07/28/2003 2:22:16 PM PDT by Dane
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To: ohioWfan; carenot
Ummmm.......if you didn't vote for him, you were NOT one of his base....... Duhhhhh

I have a notion that carenot is looking through the platforms of the "perfect protest right wing" candidates, Browne and Buchanan, before he/she makes it's "decision" on who he/she voted for in 2000.

JMO, carenot was a Gorebot and is now worshipping at the footsteps of Terry MaCauliffe at the present moment.

212 posted on 07/28/2003 2:28:27 PM PDT by Dane
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To: ohioWfan
Piffle! In the same class as codswallop :-)
213 posted on 07/28/2003 2:36:33 PM PDT by justshe (Educate....not Denigrate !)
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To: Dane; carenot
I think you may be right, Dane.

He's also a bit confused.........which supports the gorebot theory......

214 posted on 07/28/2003 2:36:53 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: hchutch
I am with you -- David Frum's article seems to be playing out on here by some of the naysayers. Have been around the Air Force for over 25 years, and have yet to meet anyone that is dissing Pres Bush over anything to do with Veterans.

Most of the Air Force people I know think it is wrong for someone who served one tour to go to the VA for benefits if they were not injured in combat!

My Dad who was in WWII always said the VA should be for those people who were injured or retired -- not for someone like him that served his tour and got out.

Baby Boomers, of which I am one, can be the biggest bunch of gimme folks and whiners!
215 posted on 07/28/2003 2:39:32 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: justshe
Ah........that clears that all up. :o)

(Are they roughly the same as 'bolderdash?')

216 posted on 07/28/2003 2:40:06 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: Miss Marple
You and me both -- becoming more moderate instead of more conservative because of what I see from the so-called ultra conservatives that post on here. Their attitude with he must do as I say or I won't vote for him makes me absolutely disgusted.

Came on FR as a dyed in the wool Republican and still am. I vote for anyone with an (R) behind their name because the DemocRATs have proven to me over and over they are morally corrupt! Not to mention a lot of them are just plain corrupt! I make no apologies to anyone for voting a straight Republican ticket. I also vote in the Republican primary for who I think can win in November.

Been supporting President Bush since 1994 and will continue to do so until he retires from politics in 2008! All this wringing of hands/whining by some new (old) posters is not influecing me one bit, except probably making me more determined than ever to do all I can to help him win big in 2004!
217 posted on 07/28/2003 2:45:38 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: Dane; ohioWfan
You guys are disgusting. You are attacking a good person for no other reason than she didn't vote for Bush the first time. And she explained why. She is part of the base because she is conservative. Move on.
218 posted on 07/28/2003 2:46:30 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
And you know it is a 'she' because.........

(Another member of the 'team?')

219 posted on 07/28/2003 2:48:27 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: VRWC_minion
Don't know about "many" But I'm another one. Damned all politicians anyway. They are all liars and GW has shown that he can and will lie right along with the rest of them. I'm a Disabled Vet and I'll be damned if I vote for the Republicrats if they continue in their ways.

2 party one philosophy system. I refuse to vote for any democrat, but this next election I won't be voting for Republicans either.

Keep your promises or lose my vote. Simple as that.
220 posted on 07/28/2003 2:49:03 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Semper Fi Bob Hope. Heaven is lucky to have you.)
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