A Vision of China’s Future Revolution

Self | July 24, 2003 | FreepForever

[NorseWood]

Then this is the way that we should spread the truth to the population. This surely is going on now, but we need to increase the amountg of newsx. etc. that gets into the hands of the peasants

[NorseWood]

Then this is the way that we should spread the truth to the population. This surely is going on now, but we need to increase the amountg of newsx. etc. that gets into the hands of the peasants

[FreepForever]

Yes, all in all, China is not that impenetrable unless they want to throw themselves back to the 50’s. What we need is people in the outside world to get organized and attack in one cohesive action. Remember: no one can bring down the Communist China government except her people. But we can surly help and make it happen.

[RightWhale]

Who knows what next fad will sweep China? Make it up as you go. They had the Mao Red Revolution and Red thermonuclear bomb and the the Great Leap Forward and iron smelters in every yard and the Red Guard so everybody carried their Little Red Book, and now they're all Red Capitalists and going to orbit the earth in their Perfect Red Spaceship. Will historical coherence be the next fad in Fad-land?

[NorseWood]

I have friends (from Beijing) that have come here to study and have gotten jobs and stayed. But I sense a reluctance from them to speak out, because they still have family in China.

[Quix]

The youth did quite a lot 4 June 1989 without arms and then with the arms they captured or which were turned over to them by sympathetic military folks.

THEY REALLY WERE quite close to civil war with various warlords taking a diversity of stances. That and the arrogance and greed for power of the leadership compelled them to act. They still didn't have to act so ruthlessly stupidly horribly IMHO. But that's the historic Chinese mentality--suppress ruthlessly first. Ask questions later, if at all.

[Poohbah]

You mean like what happened when China tried to invade Tibet?

That wasn't a big war.

And for China to cope with its present problems with foreign conquest equals a VERY big war. Two likely targets are known nuclear powers and the third is a probable nuclear power (and also has a 100-mile wide moat--they might as well be on the other side of the Pacific). The fourth likely target is a "shake-and-bake" nuclear power (less than 60 days from "Go" decision to operational weapons).

[FreepForever]

I can understand their fear. Teach them this. When you act as one individual or one among a hundred, you are a criminal. The government can lock you up. When you are one of a million, or even a billion, the government becomes the criminal. You can hunt them down. Who is fearing who? The number makes a lot of difference.

[OPS4]

Chinas fears the border on tibet and the borders on the
moslem/russian frontier.

China fought for control of Tibet for that very reason.
China sees India 1 billion people and the surrounding moslems including indonesia at another 500 million.

China is pregnable and has many threats on its borders.

Ops4 God BLess America!

[Sparta]

BTTT

[FreepForever]

Isn't this a much more effective and better alternative than another Tiananmen Square type demonstration? There will not be any public demonstration, rally or protest to become a target of crackdown by the government. People just have to declare a long public vacation and stay home. When half of China decide not to show up at work and play mah-jong at home, it is enough pressure on any government. And, the government can do very little about it. The bigger the scale, the less possibility of any bloodshed. Once the critical mass is reached, the government will be forced to admit the fact that the people have spoken and their only sensible option is to relinquish power peacefully. No regime would choose to stand on the opposite side of a billion-strong angry population unless, they too, are willing to fight to the last man.

[Quix]

MUCH AGREE.

I don't know what it would take to achieve that, though. Usually, it takes a public crisis to mobilize that many people--especially spontaneously. Certainly God could engineer that.

We shall see. I'm not holding my breath but would love to see it.

[potlatch]

BUMP!

[FreepForever]

An old CCP member who is very upset with the China government’s rampant corruption once said:

“Sigh, there is no real Communist in China anymore. I think there are more real Communists in America than in China today. If the CIA compile and publish a list of all those corrupt high level Chinese officials who have their relatives and offsprings immigrated to the US and the hundreds of billions of bribe money they have deposited in foreign banks, with photos of the high priced properties they own. I would be very surprised that there would be no public uprising in China. Even the military will rise up against the corrupt government."

Maybe, this is what's needed to ignite the forest fire.

[Quix]

Now that's a thought!

Alas, given the Chicom riddled CIA and State Dept . . . I wouldn't hold my breath. The puppet masters are still too powerful.

But wouldn't that be grand!

[Cacique]

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[FreepForever]

What I’ve just said (thanks to that old CCP member) is not that impossible. Technically, it is just some very good detective work. Those super rich corrupt Chinese officials’ sons are highly visible. Apparently, there are a lot of serious house cleaning and witching hunting to do in the US. Maybe, the first thing Americans have to do is to expose and catch those ChiCom puppets and moles in the CIA and State Department first. Honestly, how long can you tolerate the ChiCom infiltrating the US government like that? With the present situation going on, do they really need to conquer America? They can own America pretty soon, my friend!

[Quix]

I have no doubt about their insidious infiltrations and quiet conquests.

I do have doubt about anyone in sufficient authority having the foresight or courage or whatever to do anything about it.

Certainly it's needed.

[Light Speed]

A U.S. destroyer named after a family members service during the Civil War ,spent most of the 50's and into the 60's with the 7th fleet in the Pacific.

Many crisis's occured....which saw U.S. carrier battlegroups posture near Taiwan.

Collectively..the number of U.S. naval assets which were assigned revealed the game at hand.

China [DESIRES] political tension.
Its a game that satifies their Ego on many levels.
It makes the "Court of Heaven" in Bejing feel good about itself..and provides attention on a Global scale.

One needs ask...how much does it cost to keep one carrier parked near Taiwan per day...then add all the other ships..plus logistical support...plus regional bases.
Now make that 3 carrier battlegroups.

China is basically playing an extortion reality.

The Taiwan issue is not really..China regain her holding,
Its China bang pots and pans..and make the U.S. spend Trillions maintaining military projection.
China knows the U.S. is not going to attack them..so its a convenient game.
Like servants scurrying about the periphery of the Palace,
China makes the U.S. come and go..they really do.
When things ease off ..China sets the demand bar a little higher..and forces the U.S. to respond to their move.

This is War...on a different level.

If I can sit in my Palace in Bejing..and make you Run around and spend Trillions...I AM more the master of the region than you.

It is no strange reality that North Korea is empowered...[Just so...Just enough]..so as to force the U.S. to spend Trillions maintaining an Army in South Korea..and regional military projection.

Currently..things are very tense concerning N.K.
Senator Joe Biden was interviewed this past weekend..and to some degree..I think he let slip the line in the sand which the House is having to contend with.
Joe's comment was this.."China must bring N.K. to the table to talk....talks must begin soon..or the U.S. will have no alternative but to choose a military option...he mentioned 6 months.
We may percieve that the U.S. will just parlay the tough talk endlessly..yet I suspect the seriousness of N.K.'s Nuclear shell game to be a very real threat..one which has a time limit set.
China knows this too...so now comes the dance....how long will China stall..and how far will they push this game which basically draws all regional issues to their Palace court.

N.K. is using a few Nukes as an extortion reality ..set against the Worlds Super power.
At some point..the U.S. has to say enough.
The message is dire...as others will see that the U.S. can be extorted via WMD.

. It will not be to long before N.K. is capable of miniturizing or building low yield micro nukes...and once they do..they can refit most of the Islamist/Fascists SCUDS..and in a few months..the U.S. and Israel will face an extortion reality off the scale.
Its unlikely ..Little Israel is going to sit back and allow the Arab arsenals to convert their warheads.
Iran..Syria..Egypt..will probably see Israel pre-empt.
To some degree the U.S. presence in the Mid -east is also a stemming action to blunt this conversion path..but it is a race against time.
Israels defence leaders conceed a missile war as near certianty in the future.
Israel has at best a 7 minute window to knock down missiles fired at them from regional nations.
This is a reality where..If you get it wrong just once via Intel..it could be a cascade reality leading to a Samson option.
Syria had an incident occur at an underground missile complex near their fire command chain in HOMS...Syria claimed a chemical accident..yet intel sites such as Janes ,Stratfor and Monterry Strategic studies hint that a covert opp by Israel and the U.S. occured while Bashar Assad was away at the Beriut summit.
Many North Korean technitions were killed as the SCUD C/D facility went up...noted by the intel sites...North Korea did a quick about face..and requested the U.S. come to the negotiating table.
U.S. and Israel will not allow the game's to go on...Iran,China are playing with fire on this one..other nations know aswell..that the game is very dangerous..such as Russia.
Pre-emptive action has allready occured.
If the U.S. does not contend with China,Iran and N.K.
The mid east will be tooled up with micro nukes
It will only be a matter of time before Israel pre-empts..and this would require tunneling nukes to ensure the deep layered facilites are terminated.

This is the unspoken reality of the term.."Axis of Evil"..its a war The U.S. must win..or this planet goes into WW-3.

[FreepForever]

Thank you for you excellent comment which has shed some new light and angle on the subject. I am humbled.

If I haven’t misread you, China’s aggressive and bullying stance is just a charade to keep the necessary political tension aiming to drains US’ s defense expenditure. But on the other hand, don’t they want the US to stay out of Asian business at the same time?
It would be their dream come true. China’s future aggression against her Asian neighbors will be unchecked without US military presence. Which scenario do you think is more beneficial to China?

Would China make a military move against Taiwan any time soon? What is the best time table for them? Would US consider the option to nuclear arm Taiwan rather than the moe expensive option of stationing the carrier battlegroups around the strait?

I totally agree with your analysis regarding North Korea and Israel. Yes, this is the game they are playing. If diplomatic option is exhausted, a military option is inevitable. the world cannot tolerate micro-nuke armed rogue nations and terrorists states. If this had to be the choice, it is better earlier than later, considering the risk. Since 9/11, I think the situation now is in a sense already WW3, fought in extended and covert actions.