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The Tenet Fiasco - Discussion Thread
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Posted on 07/12/2003 12:52:33 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford

George Tenet's admission last night that it was his mistake that caused President Bush to use faulty intelligence in his State of The Union address is interesting at the same time as it is convienent. In the statement itself, which is lengthy and filled with reasons as to the intelligence failure, Tenet wholeheartedly takes responsility for his agency.

"Let me be clear about several things right up front. First, CIA approved the President's State of the Union address before it was delivered. Second, I am responsible for the approval process in my Agency. And third, the President had every reason to believe that the text presented to him was sound. These 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the President. "

On the face of it, this admission seems like the perfect solution to the growing problems for both the Bush and Blair administration. It's all CIA's fault, they can claim. But is that really viable?

On the face of it, perhaps. But Bush is the President. He has to take final responsibility, doesn't he?

If Bush can truly claim to know absolutely nothing, then don't we have a serious problem - wouldn't that imply that Bush is either incompetent or is simply not paying attention?

For discussion purposes - has Bush been conned by Tenet? And if he has, isn't that rather serious?

And if he wasn't conned by Tenet, what is the alternative?


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
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To: Helix
Here's a link to a post containing Wilson's bio. Yes, He's a dem and arranged clinton's huge trip to Africa among other things. He was a career diplomat who began under Carter, but did serve under Reagan and Bush 41, but under the clinton years, lookout. He despises this Bush administration (see post #262, the post right above the link with the bio I'm providing):

Wilson's bio

761 posted on 07/13/2003 3:43:13 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Refinersfire
That opium business has been totally debunked. Talk about misrepresentation in order to wage a personal vendetta.

It appears you are one who picks on personalities or party rather than being a lover of truth.
762 posted on 07/13/2003 3:46:00 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: bvw
You know, I showed you on this thread where I had replied, and I was not rude to anyone. I have tried as hard as I can to be civil in most discussion.

For some reason you have chosen to attack me and accuse me of something I have not done...unless it is supporting President Bush, which apparently to you is an offense.

Let me say this: I have tried as hard as I can over the last four years to answer attacks on the President and on myself in as reasonable a manner as possible. You are free to disagree with the President, and you are free to speak your mind here. Jim Robinson is the last word on what is acceptable, not me.

But I will say this: I will not be cowed or allow guilt to be heaped on my head, because I support the President. If you don't like it that I do support him, well that's too bad. You are entitled to your own opinion...but you are not entitled to mine.

763 posted on 07/13/2003 3:46:02 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Helix
William McKinley and others were after this on the Doug Thompson apology thread.See what you can do with Greg Thielmann...another ex official critic.Great work.Thanks
764 posted on 07/13/2003 3:48:34 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Miss Marple
If I tell you that such "support" is not support could you understand? I'm saying there is a pack of bashers running about "supporting" the President. What they call "support" drives away and fouls more good feeling that might develop, than any enemy of Bush could possibly muster!
765 posted on 07/13/2003 3:52:06 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Refinersfire
How about the NYT,Washington Post,or some such source.Perhaps the govt.agency that oversees such things has a site.womensenews is not a usual source for fact checking is it?Perhaps I am just not familiar with it.
766 posted on 07/13/2003 4:04:33 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: VRWC For Truth; Cathryn Crawford
Do YOU REALLY want the Dem party removed?

I personally would prefer to see it die and a better something in it's place.

But I personally agree with her that a single party Oligarchy of any stripe is to be avoided.

Personally, I believe the puppet masters have set it up so methodically over such a long time that it mostly doesn't matter which party is mostly in power--they will still manipulate the country and the world to their globalist ends.

Still, the Republicans have most of the patriotic individuals left in government with any integrity and servant-heartedness for the country. And certainly they are the only viable, functional clout against the Democruds.

However, there are SOME even on the Dem side who have SOME patriotic values left. We are foolish to blackwash and ignore them all just as we are foolish to assume all Republicans are patriotic. Some are wolves in sheep's clothing.

I shudder that the coming war between good and evil is even now becoming more and more overt between the selfish, socialistic, communistic etc. so blatant in the democrud party vs the authentic believer Christian and other authentically patriotic conservative types in the Republican party and other Christian, Jewish etc. groups.

This war will eventually end up with nominal churches on the side of the global government tyranny just as they are now on the side of homosexual marriages and ordinations against the more authentic, more servant-hearted believers on the other lovingly working for authentic freedom on the part of those bound to their flesh driven addictions of various sexual, drugs, workaholism, over-eating etc flavors.

As Scripture says--they will think they do God a favor as they kill us. The Moslems won't be the only ones with such a rallying cry. Shrillery Hellery Antoinette de Fosterizer de Marx de Sade and all her cohorts will cheer en masse the deaths of masses of people seen as obstructing their globalist power mongering ambitions to remake the world in their hideous images--actually the satanic image of their god and boss--the evil one himself.

Thanfully, God and those who authentically Love Him win in the end. And, He has plenty of 'tricks' up His sleeve along the way. But He has declared that HE WILL HAVE a tried, refined people as gold through the refiner's fire. I doubt that refining will be through pleasant Sunday picnics alone.

The birth pangs leading up to Tribulation will likely afford plenty of refining.

Nevertheless, walking in Love with Him and one another and toward a hurting world will afford the only protection and supply, provisioning likely to be reliably available in coming years, months.

Long Live THE KING and may His Kingdom and His Appearing come as soon as fitting and as soon as those to be entered into His Kingdom are entered.

767 posted on 07/13/2003 4:18:01 PM PDT by Quix (LIVE THREAD NOW STARTED. UFO special Tues eve & share opinions)
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To: cyncooper
Wilson is no "investigator".

All right then, tell it your way.

768 posted on 07/13/2003 4:33:28 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: roughrider
Your post was right on. I have a question for you, or anyone else, and while I admit I haven't caught up yet on the entire thread today so this may have been discussed. In light of the State of The Union Addresses perhaps having contained lies, fudges, half truths etc. in the past, was it during the SOTU address where Clinton stood up and said "There are no missiles pointed at our children tonight" or something like that, Which was clearly a lie, and of course he knew better?
769 posted on 07/13/2003 4:36:58 PM PDT by ladyinred (exactly what does a table show anyway?)
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To: MEG33
Some of us have made the same points(perhaps not so well!)Hope all goes well with your husband.

Many thanks MEG33. He had surgery and is experiencing complications.

770 posted on 07/13/2003 4:38:22 PM PDT by ladyinred (exactly what does a table show anyway?)
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To: ladyinred
Prayers for his improvement.The Sunday morning talk show thread is pretty a good read if you want to catch up.
771 posted on 07/13/2003 4:43:03 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: lentulusgracchus
Click here for Wilson's bio, then read my post above that at #262 for more on Joseph "I submitted an article to "The Nation"!" Wilson.
772 posted on 07/13/2003 4:46:49 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: bvw
Please cut the dramatics, bvw.

JMO, but you read like a whiny liberal democrat.

773 posted on 07/13/2003 4:57:55 PM PDT by Dane
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To: bvw
What I would like is one example from this thread that justifies your attack on me. I am not reponsible for anyone's behavior but my own, and I most strongly disagree with your characterization of my behavior.
774 posted on 07/13/2003 4:58:02 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: cyncooper
cyncooper,

I was only allowed to post the title, not the text as by rules set by the website. (see post 754)

But my problem was not the "Opium" issue, but can be summed up by Rep. Ron Paul's words below.

http://www.counterpunch.org/paul2.html

November 6, 2001

Underwriting the Taliban

By Rep. Ron Paul

Even before September 11th, most Americans were well aware of the hostility that many Middle Eastern nations have for the U.S. Our experiences with Iran, Libya, Iraq, and now Afghanistan have understandably soured many Americans on the entire region. Indeed, the majority of anti-American sentiment in the post-Cold War era originates in the Middle East. What many Americans don't realize, however, is the extent to which their own foreign aid tax dollars are spent funding our current and future enemies in the region.

We should recognize that American tax dollars helped to create the very Taliban government that now wants to destroy us. In the late 1970s and early 80s, the CIA was very involved in the training and funding of various fundamentalist Islamic groups in Afghanistan, some of which later became today's brutal Taliban government. In fact, the U.S. government admits to giving the groups at least 6 billion dollars in military aid and weaponry, a staggering sum that would be even larger in today's dollars.

Bin Laden himself received training and weapons from the CIA, and that agency's military and financial assistance helped the Afghan rebels build a set of encampments around the city of Khost. Tragically, those same camps became terrorist training facilities for Bin Laden, who uses some of the same soldiers our military once trained as lieutenants in his sickening terrorist network. Our heroic pilots are now busy bombing the same camps we paid to build, all the while threatened by the same Stinger missiles originally supplied by our CIA. Once again, the stark result of our foreign aid, however well-intentioned, was the arming and training of forces that later become our enemy.

Our foolish funding of Afghan terrorists hardly ended in the 1980s, however. Millions of your tax dollars continue to pour into Afghanistan even today. Our government publicly supported the Taliban right up until September 11. Already in 2001 the U.S. has provided $125 million in so-called humanitarian aid to the country, making us the world's single largest donor to Afghanistan. Rest assured the money went straight to the Taliban, and not to the impoverished, starving residents that make up most of the population. Do we really expect a government as intolerant and anti-west as the Taliban to use our foreign aid for humane purposes? If so, we are incredibly naive; if not, we foolishly have been seeking to influence a government that regards America as an enemy.

Incredibly, in May the U.S. announced that we would reward the Taliban with an additional $43 million in aid for its actions in banning the cultivation of poppy used to produce heroin and opium. Taliban rulers had agreed to assist us in our senseless drug war by declaring opium growing "against the will of God." They weren't serious, of course. Although reliable economic data for Afghanistan is nearly impossible to find (there simply is not much of an economy), the reality is that opium is far and away the most profitable industry in the country. The Taliban was hardly prepared to give up virtually its only source of export revenue, any more than the demand for opium was suddenly going to disappear. If anything, Afghanistan's production of opium is growing. Experts estimate it has doubled since 1999; the relatively small country is now believed to provide the raw material for fully 75% of the world's heroin. How tragic that our government was willing to ignore Taliban brutality in its quest to find "victories in the failed drug war.

U.S. taxpayers have a right to know exactly what we're getting for our foreign aid dollars. Have we helped bring peace and prosperity to Afghanistan? Have we eased suffering there? Have we added to stability in the region? Have we earned the love or respect of the Afghan people? Have we made an ally of the Taliban government? The answer to all of these entirely reasonable questions is a resounding NO. Afghanistan is in chaos, its people starving, and its government is now an outright enemy of the United States. As we yet again find ourselves at war with forces we once funded and supported, the wisdom of foreign aid must be challenged. Peaceful relations and trade with every nation should be our goals, and the first step in accomplishing both should be to stop sending taxpayer dollars overseas.

Ron Paul, M.D., represents the 14th Congressional District of Texas in the United States House of Representatives.

Which means that any and all money went to the Taliban. Just like what happen with Iraq. It was only after 11/Sept/2001 that we went the extra mile to see that the food got to those in the most need.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10042001_200110045.

To which I will give credit to Bush for his part in doing so.

775 posted on 07/13/2003 5:01:59 PM PDT by Refinersfire
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To: Dane; bvw
Dane, if there is a problem on this thread, address me, since I am the one who started it. Thank you.
776 posted on 07/13/2003 5:02:59 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford
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To: MEG33
The quoted part of that article that I posted was from a poster that I trust to be up-front. But I can't find article on the net. I went to the Times, and am looking at their archives, but they are the pits!!!!
777 posted on 07/13/2003 5:07:46 PM PDT by Refinersfire
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To: Helix
You have FRmail.
778 posted on 07/13/2003 5:10:04 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford
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To: Cathryn Crawford; bvw
Dane, if there is a problem on this thread, address me, since I am the one who started it. Thank you

Well excuse me, Cathryn.

Anyway bvw's reply #747 sounds like something I would hear from Barney Frank or Nancy Pelosi. Using big words and grandiose prose to basically say, "How dare you have your own opinion, you big meanie".

You will notice that in all my replies that I gave my opinion, and that was that this whole SOTU flap is a DNC tempest in a teapot and nowhere did I say someone should be banned or tarred and feathered.

I also stated in one of my replies allegoriclly that could you send me a postcard when you reach your destination called "a perfect world".

779 posted on 07/13/2003 5:16:59 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
I forgive you, Dane.

And you are right. You have added to this thread's intelligence immensely. Let's see...here were your comments.

To: Mind-numbed Robot; Dan from Michigan; Cathryn Crawford

Even if you are technically correct it is still unrealistic

Maybe Dan and Cathryn will send you a postcard when they reach that destination called, "the perfect world".

383 posted on 07/12/2003 6:50 PM CDT by Dane

And, let's not forget...

To: Quix; Cathryn Crawford

Personally, I think you demean yourself by throwing rocks at her.

Uh she was the one who decided to throw the first rock. There is a plethora of threads about this DNC/liberal media tempest in a teapot.

I can't help if you don't like the fact she got her head handed to her on a plate on this thread.

426 posted on 07/12/2003 8:23 PM CDT by Dane

Can I ask you a question? Why do you, uh, preface your, uh, questions with, uh, uh?

780 posted on 07/13/2003 5:25:07 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford
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