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The Tenet Fiasco - Discussion Thread
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Posted on 07/12/2003 12:52:33 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford

George Tenet's admission last night that it was his mistake that caused President Bush to use faulty intelligence in his State of The Union address is interesting at the same time as it is convienent. In the statement itself, which is lengthy and filled with reasons as to the intelligence failure, Tenet wholeheartedly takes responsility for his agency.

"Let me be clear about several things right up front. First, CIA approved the President's State of the Union address before it was delivered. Second, I am responsible for the approval process in my Agency. And third, the President had every reason to believe that the text presented to him was sound. These 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the President. "

On the face of it, this admission seems like the perfect solution to the growing problems for both the Bush and Blair administration. It's all CIA's fault, they can claim. But is that really viable?

On the face of it, perhaps. But Bush is the President. He has to take final responsibility, doesn't he?

If Bush can truly claim to know absolutely nothing, then don't we have a serious problem - wouldn't that imply that Bush is either incompetent or is simply not paying attention?

For discussion purposes - has Bush been conned by Tenet? And if he has, isn't that rather serious?

And if he wasn't conned by Tenet, what is the alternative?


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To: Nick Danger
Well said!
261 posted on 07/12/2003 2:54:27 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Keep asking them! You're a writer. You're supposed to ask questions!
262 posted on 07/12/2003 2:55:18 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: Peach; Cathryn Crawford
I don't know anything about Cathryn as a writer or as a person, but as it sounds like she's a budding journalist, I would like to recommend she use less inflammatory and judgmental language in the future. The title of this thread says it all.

I tend to agree with you on that point - especially if she is reporting as opposed to opining - but that's probably because I'm sensitive to what I see as unfair bashing of President Bush day in and day out. It would be refreshing to see a little benefit of the doubt come his way on occasion, particularly from conservatives.

Ultimately though, Cathryn has to trust herself and write what she believes.

She'll just give people like me high blood pressure. : )

263 posted on 07/12/2003 2:55:19 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Mo1
Yeah, that'd be kind of a step down, imo. LOL
264 posted on 07/12/2003 2:56:05 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Sparta
Excuse me but here at The University of Oklahoma those opinion writers happen to be part of the Journalism College and get their degree from the Journalism College.

So you are saying that an opinion writer doesn't have to follow the Ethics in Journalism? Are you saying that an opinion writer is not part of the media too?

That's nice to know!
265 posted on 07/12/2003 2:56:10 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: Nick Danger
Good post ND!

Better yet, how many people out of the millions who heard and watched the State of the Union address EVEN REMEMBER the "sixteen words?"

I watched it twice and heretofore, I didn't recall the statement, nor did it make any impression on me at the time!

Much media ado about trying to nitpick POTUS, for blatantly obvious partisan purposes!
266 posted on 07/12/2003 2:57:29 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Cathryn Crawford
She'll just give people like me high blood pressure. : )

LOL. Who are you trying to kid? You're tougher than nails.

Both of you are. ;-)

267 posted on 07/12/2003 2:57:48 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Summertime!)
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To: Nick Danger
Thank you for your well-reasoned out and coherent post.

However, if there was a mistake made, it needs to be admitted, and the proper actions taken to right it.

That has been my position all along.
268 posted on 07/12/2003 2:58:39 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Ping to Post #222

It was Wilson who made those claims

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/944966/posts?page=222#222
269 posted on 07/12/2003 2:58:47 PM PDT by Mo1 (Please help Free Republic and Donate Now !!!)
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To: PhiKapMom
So you are saying that an opinion writer doesn't have to follow the Ethics in Journalism? Are you saying that an opinion writer is not part of the media too?

I guess she is following in Maureen Dowd's footprints.

270 posted on 07/12/2003 2:59:15 PM PDT by Lauratealeaf
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To: Mo1
Thanks, yes. That was no doubt what I read.

Personally, I have a lot of reservations about Wilson and his claims

All the more reason someone should look into the matter.

271 posted on 07/12/2003 2:59:36 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: Dan from Michigan
Re your "bad intelligence is unacceptable". Intelligence has never been 100% in any area of the world, let alone a world as secretive as the Middle East.
272 posted on 07/12/2003 2:59:38 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Sparta
Thanks for #260.

You want to know something, I have absolutely nothing against C. Crawford asking questions and would never have even bothered with this thread if she had disclosed she was part of the media which an opinion writer is by all accounts.

When you start a vanity with the topic and ask leading questions that point to someone getting ready to write an article, then I have a problem when that person does not disclose they write for the Washington Dispatch.

And it could have been taken care of quite simply back at the beginning!

273 posted on 07/12/2003 3:00:10 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Scenic Sounds
She'll just give people like me high blood pressure. : )

I'm sorry. If it's any consolation, my mother says that I'm the reason she's going gray, and my dad says that he needs tranquilizers after a conversation with me.

274 posted on 07/12/2003 3:00:41 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford
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To: huck von finn; Cathryn Crawford
I remember reading it too. It was by the noted communist propagandist Robert Scheer in the L.A. Times. There was no substantiation- it was sourced about as well as Doug Thompson's Wilkinson piece.

So far, there have been three people making allegations. One: Terrance Wilkinson, who appears to not exist, but the far left grabbed his story and peddled it to the international media.

Two: Joseph C. Wilson. "He was recently the keynote speaker for the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, a far-left group that opposed not only the U.S. military intervention in Iraq but also the sanctions — and even the no-fly zones that protected hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Kurds and Shias from being slaughtered by Saddam." He's an "adjunct scholar" at the Middle East Institute — which advocates for Saudi interests. The March 1, 2002 issue of the Saudi government-weekly Ain-Al Yaqeen lists the MEI as an "Islamic research institutes supported by the Kingdom." And he worked for Tom Foley, Al Gore, and Jimmy Carter.

Three: Greg Thielmann, who worked for John Chester Culver, Iowa politician who thought FDR was not far enough to the left and admired Henry Wallace, a man once called 'Stalin's ambassador to the court of Roosevelt'

I am really starting to think there may be a real scandal here- and it is a red one.

275 posted on 07/12/2003 3:03:46 PM PDT by William McKinley (From you, I get opinions. From you, I get the story.)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
However, if there was a mistake made, it needs to be admitted, and the proper actions taken to right it.

The mistake was admitted ..

276 posted on 07/12/2003 3:04:18 PM PDT by Mo1 (Please help Free Republic and Donate Now !!!)
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To: huck von finn
All the more reason someone should look into the matter.

And I have no doubt it will be

277 posted on 07/12/2003 3:05:11 PM PDT by Mo1 (Please help Free Republic and Donate Now !!!)
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To: Cathryn Crawford; PhiKapMom; rintense; Howlin; Miss Marple
Isn't this whole thing a tempest in a teacup?

Since his September 12, 2002 speech to the UN, the President and this administration, along with Tony Blair and our allies have called for either Saddam to either disarm or prove that he had disarmed or face the consquences.

Since 1991, no one doubted that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The Clinton administration bombed Iraq on several occasions (most notably in 1998) because of Iraq's failure to abide by UN resolutions.

Leaders in both the democratic and republican parties informed the American people that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

The debate in the UN that lead up to the invasion of Iraq did not center on whether or not Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, but on the best way to disarm Iraq. The only two people who believed that Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction were Saddam Hussein and Scott Ritter. Every argument was based on how to disarm Iraq.

Now, the media, in collusion with the democratic party, think they have an issue to beat up the President with. Sixteen words in the SOU address where the President quoted British intelligence. A report the British still say is true.

Now, the democratic nine (running for president) are beating up GWB for lying. But, there was no lie. No lie whatsoever.

If our CIA believed that the Niger information was false, then it was the CIA's responsibility to remove that one sentence from the speech. It did not happen. And George Tenant, rightfully so, has said it was his responsibility to have removed those sixteen words. When the speech went to the CIA for vetting, for whatever reason, it was not.

Big whoop! This is not about the President deliberately deceiving the American people. It would have taken more than 16 words to do this. This is not about incompetence or anything... It is about the media, whipping up a non-story in order to damage the war on terror.

I have no doubt that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. That was never a non-starter, not even with Hans Blix. If Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction, then Saddam could have simply opened up his country to the inspectors.

What the media is doing in trying to damage this President's credibility and the more important war on terror is hiding the true and more important questions.

If Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (and the world believed he did) where are they? Who has them? And what do they plan to do with them?

278 posted on 07/12/2003 3:05:32 PM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Your book will certainly be entertaining for FR members. You are not really a Freeper, just an observer of Freepers. Interesting Vanity, sort of like being under a verbal microscope, what with the particular peculiar formation of questions leading to foregone conclusion type answers anywhere else. Like (oversimplification), do you still beat your wife? Bye, bye.
279 posted on 07/12/2003 3:05:33 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts (I still hate all things Clinton!)
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To: Jim Noble
All this could have been avoided if Saddam had given the u n a free rein to search. He agreed to do that in '91 didn't he. The 'rats smell blood, they won't rest until a republican becomes the 3rd Pres. to be impeached.
Poor George, he has his work cut out for him.
280 posted on 07/12/2003 3:06:06 PM PDT by RedwM
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