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To: DoctorZIn
"Unless there is a clear separation between religion and government, there is no hope for meaningful democratisation. This is the basic conclusion that Iranians have reached," he explained.

Exactly....Turkey is the model for Iraq & Iran..... It has a secular government and tolerates other religions. There are a large number of Christians in Turkey according to a Turkish friend of mine.

I pray that July 9 will be Iran's 'Independence Day'!

52 posted on 07/02/2003 8:35:22 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Take W-04........Across America!)
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To: JulieRNR21
From everything I've been reading, there are problems for minorities in both Turkey & Iraq. Turkey's population has seen a drop in Assyrians (one of the Chritian minorities) from over 50,000, to about 5000 in recent years, though I don't know exactly what the timeline of that reduction.

The Kurds make up about 10% of Turkey's population & a possible/probable attempt to seceed (due a lot to an old promise by the west, of the creation of an independant Kurdistan after WWI) by Turkey's Kurdish population played a major part in Turkey's concerns during the early, active days of Iraqi Freedom. Turkey's military build up on Iraq's border & their need for assurances by the US to prevent the Kurds from gaining control of northeren oil fields had to do with Turkey's fear of one it's own minority communities having a supporting state with resources right across their border.

Meanwhile, over in Iraq, the Kurds seem to be grabbing up Assyrian's land, destroying or converting churches to mosqes The Assyrian community were also protected by Operation Northern Watch, but now seem to have been put at risk from their freedom loving brothern, the Kurds. Further south, Christians have owned liquor stores, but some are being killed & others threatened by those who are acting against them citing Islamic law.

Turkey's kind of democacy seems to have a poor record in protecting their minorities rights, so I wouldn't use them as any sort of model. Also too, their military seems to be more than a little bit too independant from government control. When the military can override the government & negotiate seperately with foreign powers, I worry.

78 posted on 07/03/2003 9:41:31 AM PDT by GoLightly
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