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Supreme Court Strikes Down Gay Sex [sic] Ban
Associated Press ^ | 6/26/2003 | ANNE GEARAN

Posted on 06/26/2003 8:57:35 AM PDT by traditionalist

The 6-3 ruling reverses course from a ruling 17 years ago that states could punish homosexuals for what such laws historically called deviant sex.

Laws forbidding homosexual sex, once universal, now are rare. Those on the books are rarely enforced but underpin other kinds of discrimination, lawyers for two Texas men had argued to the court.

The men "are entitled to respect for their private lives," Kennedy wrote.

"The state cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime," he said.

Justices John Paul Stevens (news - web sites), David Souter (news - web sites), Ruth Bader Ginsburg (news - web sites) and Stephen Breyer (news - web sites) agreed with Kennedy in full. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor (news - web sites) agreed with the outcome of the case but not all of Kennedy's rationale.

Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justices Antonin Scalia (news - web sites) and Clarence Thomas (news - web sites) dissented.

"The court has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda," Scalia wrote for the three. He took the unusual step of reading his dissent from the bench.

"The court has taken sides in the culture war," Scalia said, adding that he has "nothing against homosexuals."

The two men at the heart of the case, John Geddes Lawrence and Tyron Garner, have retreated from public view. They were each fined $200 and spent a night in jail for the misdemeanor sex charge in 1998.

The case began when a neighbor with a grudge faked a distress call to police, telling them that a man was "going crazy" in Lawrence's apartment. Police went to the apartment, pushed open the door and found the two men having anal sex.

As recently as 1960, every state had an anti-sodomy law. In 37 states, the statutes have been repealed by lawmakers or blocked by state courts.

Of the 13 states with sodomy laws, four — Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma and Missouri — prohibit oral and anal sex between same-sex couples. The other nine ban consensual sodomy for everyone: Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia.

Thursday's ruling apparently invalidates those laws as well.

The Supreme Court was widely criticized 17 years ago when it upheld an antisodomy law similar to Texas'. The ruling became a rallying point for gay activists.

Of the nine justices who ruled on the 1986 case, only three remain on the court. Rehnquist was in the majority in that case — Bowers v. Hardwick — as was O'Connor. Stevens dissented.

A long list of legal and medical groups joined gay rights and human rights supporters in backing the Texas men. Many friend-of-the-court briefs argued that times have changed since 1986, and that the court should catch up.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: activistcourt; activistsupremecourt; culturewar; downourthroats; druglaws; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; incestlaws; lawrencevtexas; sodomy; sodomylaws; texassodomylaw
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To: traditionalist
Polygamy, necrophilia, incestual "marriage," sodomite "marriage" here we come!

That you combine Polygamy with this is very telling of your character.

I could ask WHERE you get your moral instruction that more than one wife is 'immoral' (especially on the same plane with necrophilia). I could ask you to cite it. (You won't be able to... it's a made up cultural tradition.)

That said, my standard disclaimer : Polygamy is its own punishment. Any man dumb enough to marry more than one woman deserves what he gets.

21 posted on 06/26/2003 10:40:28 AM PDT by DAnconia55 (Thumping the Moral Ayatollahs, daily.)
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To: lilylangtree
One more step closer for queers to achieve their protected status goal. Eventually, the US will resemble the Greek nation whereby homos were the norm and hetereos the abnormal. History tells us the Greek nation fell like a ton a bricks

Read lots of 700 Club books, don't we?

22 posted on 06/26/2003 10:52:13 AM PDT by DAnconia55 (Thumping the Moral Ayatollahs, daily.)
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To: igotfreedom
2. Sexual deviate conduct shall not be permitted by any law.

LOL. Decided by you, I suppose.

23 posted on 06/26/2003 10:52:45 AM PDT by DAnconia55 (Thumping the Moral Ayatollahs, daily.)
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To: longtermmemmory
When I took History, Art, Womens classes in college, we studied the Greek Empire and its way of life. An interesting, and required, book to read is "Last of the Wine" which was about the Greek life. Take a look. You might find it interesting.
24 posted on 06/26/2003 10:53:22 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: DAnconia55
No, I went to college.
25 posted on 06/26/2003 10:54:20 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: lilylangtree
Try studying in greece. Try going to the actual sites. The homosexualizing of history is well documented. I have no need to read fourth hand sources when the ORIGINALS are available to me.
26 posted on 06/26/2003 11:12:41 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: traditionalist
Dude, this has been posted several times over already. The main thread has over 800 responses on it.
27 posted on 06/26/2003 11:13:26 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: lilylangtree
Falwell State University, lol..

Might want to ask for a refund. At least for the history classes.

28 posted on 06/26/2003 11:17:23 AM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: unread
Mine too!
29 posted on 06/26/2003 11:22:27 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: RAT Patrol
God bless Scalia, Thomas, and Rhenquist. At least they tried.

Everyone thinks that Justice Thomas is opposed to changing the law based on moral grounds. In other words, they think he is opposed to granting a "right" for homosexual sex. But if you read his dissenting opinion, he states right at the beginning that he thinks the Texas law was "silly" (his words) that Texas should repeal the law, and that law enforcement should have higher priorities than trying to enforce the law.

Justice Thomas is not on the side of the "moralists" in this issue.

30 posted on 06/26/2003 11:25:23 AM PDT by meia
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To: DAnconia55
Falwell U sounds good to me but I personally like Dolly Parton's university in her early 90's movie opposite of James Woods where she played a radio psychologist. She graduated from "Screw U". ; ) LOL
31 posted on 06/26/2003 11:32:54 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: meia
I never said he was. The slur "moralist" is used rather freely these days. I am not entirely sure why it's a slur anyway. But the way it is used, you'd think morality was a terrible thing.
32 posted on 06/26/2003 11:35:37 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: longtermmemmory
What an utterly incorrect assertion. Whatever else one may think of homosexual behavior, it's incontrovertible that it held a rather high status throughout the Classical Greek city states (well documented for Athens, Thebes, Sparta, Elis, Corinth, and well, basically the statement applies in some fashion to all of them). Now, one may very well choose to reject that transhistorical record as having any greater meaning or significance, but its factual basis is beyond serious dispute..
33 posted on 06/26/2003 11:41:35 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv
You obviously have never been to greece nor have yoy studied there.
34 posted on 06/26/2003 12:40:39 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: meia
he is right that this is a texas legislature issue NOT a federal law issue.
35 posted on 06/26/2003 12:42:26 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory
I have lived in Greece & I've also written a chapter on the subject of ancient Greek concepts of masculinity (as part of a much broader work). If you require any citations regarding a specific objection you may have to my previous comment, feel free to let me know..

PS. I'm well-aware that modern Greek sensibilities are not remotely comparable to their ancient forebears, 2500 years removed..
36 posted on 06/26/2003 12:53:20 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: meia
and that law enforcement should have higher priorities than trying to enforce the law.

This *is* silly - how often are litering laws enforced (I see beer bottles by the side of the road on a regular although not frequent basis) YET I would not repeal them or this particular law (as it acts as a disincentive to deviant sexual behavior) ...

I think the 'average man' doesn't understand the reason 'for law' (in general) and the purpose of having 'laws on the books' in order to guide society ...

37 posted on 06/26/2003 1:01:36 PM PDT by _Jim (The MOTHERLOAD of conspiracy writings - http://home.swipnet.se/allez/Links.htm)
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To: Servant of the Nine
Say what?

In what state, any state, is Necrophilia legal?!?!

I can't believe that for a second.

But leave it to the queers and the other degenerate filth behind this court decision today, and you can bet that if it isn't legal, it will be soon.

38 posted on 06/26/2003 1:02:30 PM PDT by Im Your Huckleberry
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To: traditionalist

Polygamy, necrophilia, incestual "marriage," sodomite "marriage" here we come!

Well, go ahead if you must.  As for me,
I have no desire for necrophilia, et al, so
decriminalizing those acts won't propel
me into committing them.  Let us know
how you make out.
39 posted on 06/26/2003 1:05:21 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: liberalnot
you can't legislate morality.

NOR can we apparently really 'set' speed limits and achieve any sort of compliance ... so what is the recommended course of action?

40 posted on 06/26/2003 1:05:31 PM PDT by _Jim (The MOTHERLOAD of conspiracy writings - http://home.swipnet.se/allez/Links.htm)
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