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Terminator to Run for Governor: If State Needs Him
FOX NEWS ^ | June 24, 2003 | Mike Straka

Posted on 06/23/2003 9:09:41 PM PDT by Mister Magoo

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:36:41 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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TOPICS: Announcements; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnold; iamback; schwarzenegger; t3; terminator
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Give it up already. All this negative crap is getting old. Get a life. Move to France.
41 posted on 06/23/2003 11:08:45 PM PDT by Consort
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To: fieldmarshaldj
If Condie Rice declares her intention to enter the race, then Arnold is toast.
42 posted on 06/23/2003 11:10:03 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: fieldmarshaldj
"I's gots da facts on my side"

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Including this one: "California is arguably the most Democratic state in the nation"?

Why don't you read this scenario about Arnold winning, RINO or not. Whom do you think it will benefit, the Republicans or Democrats?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/934460/posts



"The sky still remains blue, baby. :-) "

Just so you remember that too. :)
43 posted on 06/23/2003 11:10:29 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Pragmatism and a RINO will get you Taxachusetts, buddy.

You have no idea how silly your ad hominem attacks sound. Kinda' like a DU lurker, trying to split the vote... (((SHAKING HEAD)))

Since you're not even in California, and don't have to put up with the crap going on here... You've got no dog in this hunt....

So this raises the question:

What's your major malfunction, soldier???


44 posted on 06/23/2003 11:25:55 PM PDT by Capitalist Eric
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To: Consort
*Yawn* You're projecting, dear sir. I seek positive Conservative leadership for CA that Tom McClintock will provide, you seek negative liberal RINO neglect that Ah-nold will exemplify.
45 posted on 06/23/2003 11:41:15 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: Ciexyz
I'd much rather have her stay on the national scene, preferably replacing Colin Powell as Secretary of State.
46 posted on 06/23/2003 11:42:15 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
So did the other fellow Bill Simon.
47 posted on 06/23/2003 11:46:19 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: FairOpinion
"Including this one: "California is arguably the most Democratic state in the nation"?"

It's one of the more, but not the most. Rhode Island is far more 'Rat, and it just elected a CONSERVATIVE Republican Governor, succeeding, surprisingly enough, a RINO. You naysayers would be claiming up and down that a Don Carcieri could never win a state like RI, but he did. We can elect real Republicans in 'Rat states if we actually try to run strong campaigns.

"Why don't you read this scenario about Arnold winning, RINO or not. Whom do you think it will benefit, the Republicans or Democrats?"

What you continue to fail to understand is that any victory with him will merely be on paper, and nothing else. Some of us actually prefer real results.

48 posted on 06/23/2003 11:48:06 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Of course. If Arnie self destructs like Riordan did last year he'll have no one to blame but himself. We'll see if he's as gifted a politician as he's an actor.
49 posted on 06/23/2003 11:53:56 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Capitalist Eric
"You have no idea how silly your ad hominem attacks sound. Kinda' like a DU lurker, trying to split the vote... (((SHAKING HEAD)))"

Only a DU lurker would champion a RINO like Ah-nold. Nothing better than getting a member of the opposition party to do all your dirty work for you, that's why most 'Rats secretly wanted Tricky Dick last year. Now they got Tricky's puppet.

"Since you're not even in California, and don't have to put up with the crap going on here... You've got no dog in this hunt...."

You're wrong. I've got family there. I've got a young niece and nephew there. I care about their future. I know that growing up in the state as it is doesn't hold out much hope for them. Until we can get some real Conservative GOP leadership in there to turn the state around, things will never get better, and they sure as hell won't get better with a RINO pushing a 'Rat agenda as Ah-nold will do. So, yes, sir, I most certainly got a dog in this hunt.

"What's your major malfunction, soldier???"

Maybe you ought to look in the mirror and ask yourself that question, Private Pyle. I ain't supporting the 'Rats dream GOP candidate, Ah-nold.

50 posted on 06/23/2003 11:54:35 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
You know, idealism is fine in theory, and should be supported. Also, being squishy isn't the way to win elections, I'll grant you that, but saying a conservative idealog is always the best option is just stupid. Politics on this level is about winning elections, period.

You got your chance at a conservative idealog running for Governor, you got Bill Simon, and he lost to Davis when most people thought a corpse would beat him.

Mistakes are only mistakes when you don't learn from them. Ask yourself this: 02 - Davis or Ridoran? Those were your choices. Simon couldn't win, and he didn't. The White House knew it. This time, you get Davis or Ridoran or The Terminator. Those are your choices. Deal with it.

Choose wisely.

51 posted on 06/24/2003 1:35:12 AM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz
02 - Davis or Ridoran?

Given that choice, I would have voted Davis, hands down, but it never got to that point because Riordan's incompetent attempts at campaigning failed. Simon wasn't a great campaigner, either, but Riordan was a far worse one.

If we had Riordan, we would be in the same mess we are now, with tax hikes and spending increases, but we probably wouldn't be able to recall him. The Davis Recall effort affords the possibility of finally electing a responsible governor.

This time, you get Davis or Ridoran or The Terminator. Those are your choices.

Not necessarily. The recall election allows almost any adult citizen resident of California to run. It's very likely that other people will run. Darrell Issa (R) and Peter Camejo (G) have already publicly stated their interest; McClintock may be interested, depending on the rest of the field. Unlike the regular gubernatorial elections, which usually have just one candidate from each party, the recall election has been called a "free-for-all," because many people can run under the same party label.

For me, the party label isn't as important as the person's characteristics. If Tom McClintock ran as a democrat last fall, I would have still voted for him because I thought he would be a better Controller than the other conservative candidate or the well-financed Democrat, Westly.

If Arnold Schwarzenegger or Richard Riordan were registered as Democrats, would your enthusiasm flag?

52 posted on 06/24/2003 3:00:32 AM PDT by heleny
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To: Mister Magoo
Arnold BTTT
53 posted on 06/24/2003 7:00:20 AM PDT by MattinNJ (It ain't right. Says so in the scriptures.)
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To: old school
"First of all, he's no Ronald Reagan. . ."

I agree with much of what you say but you have to remember that Reagan had no significant political experience before becoming governor of California. I think the key is that Arnold CAN WIN!!! Simon and McClintock will be unlikely to carry the middle of the road voters in CA to upset the Dems. It is sad, but the average CA voter will vote for name recognition over substance. I personally think Arnold would do a great job as governor but the most important thing is to get the Dems out of here!
54 posted on 06/24/2003 8:55:33 AM PDT by NFOShekky (Freedom Is Never Free.)
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To: heleny
"If Arnold Schwarzenegger or Richard Riordan were registered as Democrats, would your enthusiasm flag?"

Classic idealistic bullcrap that gets us killed. Niether of them are conservative, but they are way more conservative then Davis. Calling everybody who isn't an Alan Keys or a Tom Mclintock a liberal isn't getting us anywhere.

Oh, and BTW, the answer would be yes. If for no other reason then because Davis is a crook. I'd take an honest dem over a crooked dem any day, and in spite of what Clinton seemed to want to prove, yes, there are some honest dems.


55 posted on 06/24/2003 11:33:48 AM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Mister Magoo

56 posted on 06/24/2003 11:35:57 AM PDT by amused (Republicans for Sharpton!)
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To: zbigreddogz
"You know, idealism is fine in theory, and should be supported. Also, being squishy isn't the way to win elections, I'll grant you that, but saying a conservative idealog is always the best option is just stupid. Politics on this level is about winning elections, period."

Depends on who the Conservative is. I'm not saying electing a Conservative for Conservative's sake is the way to go always, you need an EFFECTIVE Conservative. You need someone who can combine a strong moral platform with an aggressive economic one. Focus solely on one or the other and you're going to have a problem. There were some decent Governors who were solid on moral platforms but then didn't focus enough on spurring the economy. There are people out there who can juggle both issues. But my point all along, setting aside everything else, if we want to take moral issues off the table and deal solely with CA's horrible economic/budget situation, Ah-nold isn't the person for the job because he is NOT a fiscal Conservative. In this case, we can't afford to have liberal spendthrifts, and with Ah-nold's last little prop that passed, it's clear that he is. Even if Ah-nold was squeaky clean in his private life, it doesn't change that above fact. And to address the last sentence, winning elections for the sake of winning elections is nothing to crow about. It's about the best person for the job who has the best agenda. If both the "D" and the "R" have lousy agendas, you (and the people) win nothing, it's merely a win for a party on paper.

"You got your chance at a conservative idealog running for Governor, you got Bill Simon, and he lost to Davis when most people thought a corpse would beat him."

But this is merely a simplistic analysis. It ignores the fact that he didn't lose because of ideology, but because his fall campaign, for lack of a better word, sucked. You can't ignore that there is an absurdly long period between the primary and the general, and it can be difficult to keep momentum going in that timespan. I think the primary should be moved from March to probably July or perhaps even August. Why on Earth a primary for a November election is held 8 months ahead of time is crazy. No wonder it seems like we're in a neverending campaign cycle. No sooner has an election ended, that you've got to file and start campaigning for the next. It's ridiculous.

"Mistakes are only mistakes when you don't learn from them. Ask yourself this: 02 - Davis or Ridoran? Those were your choices. Simon couldn't win, and he didn't. The White House knew it. This time, you get Davis or Ridoran or The Terminator. Those are your choices. Deal with it. Choose wisely."

I'd go 3rd party (AIP candidate) if those are the choices. If it's going to be a liberal, let it be a 'Rat. The GOP shouldn't be tarred and feathered with that failed ideology. Have we learned nothing from Goldwater and Reagan ?

57 posted on 06/24/2003 12:14:44 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: heleny
People forget, too, that an ostensibly popular L.A. Mayor in liberal Tom Bradley ran for Governor in '82, and many thought he would win, and he, too, came up short. All the Ah-nold and Riordan supporters around here have no concrete evidence that he could've won that Tricky Dick could've won the general. If you couldn't get RINOs and squishies like John Seymour, Matt Fong, and Tom Campbell to win Senate seats, how do they think a man who made these 3 men look like Bob Dornan would manage to make it to the Governor's office ? Sheer flights of fantasy.
58 posted on 06/24/2003 12:19:26 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: NFOShekky
And how do you think Ah-nold will win while losing the mainstream Conservative voters that make up the bulk of the GOP ? I think McClintock will do just fine holding the base and reaching out.
59 posted on 06/24/2003 12:22:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: zbigreddogz
"Classic idealistic bullcrap that gets us killed. Niether of them are conservative, but they are way more conservative then Davis."

Really ? Where is your proof that Riordan is more "Conservative" than Davis ? I'd say there isn't a dime's worth of difference between the two. Remember, Tricky Dick is the man who campaigned for DiFi, gave money to Maxine Waters, and fully endorsed "Aztlan Tony" Villaraigosa to succeed him as Mayor. No Republican of any respectability would've done all 3 of those things.

"Calling everybody who isn't an Alan Keys or a Tom Mclintock a liberal isn't getting us anywhere."

Who is doing that ? We've only been discussing a handful of people in this thread and others, the problem is that they tend to be at either end of the spectrum. Are there truly that many actual "moderates" in CA politics ? I can't really name any, save perhaps Fong, but he was so moderate that he had no solid groundings and became very wishy-washy. And I supported his candidacy over then-neophyte Issa because of Fong's statewide experience. So much for that...

"Oh, and BTW, the answer would be yes. If for no other reason then because Davis is a crook. I'd take an honest dem over a crooked dem any day, and in spite of what Clinton seemed to want to prove, yes, there are some honest dems."

Yeah, sometimes you can find a few hiding under a rock. :-)

60 posted on 06/24/2003 12:29:31 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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