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To: zbigreddogz
"You know, idealism is fine in theory, and should be supported. Also, being squishy isn't the way to win elections, I'll grant you that, but saying a conservative idealog is always the best option is just stupid. Politics on this level is about winning elections, period."

Depends on who the Conservative is. I'm not saying electing a Conservative for Conservative's sake is the way to go always, you need an EFFECTIVE Conservative. You need someone who can combine a strong moral platform with an aggressive economic one. Focus solely on one or the other and you're going to have a problem. There were some decent Governors who were solid on moral platforms but then didn't focus enough on spurring the economy. There are people out there who can juggle both issues. But my point all along, setting aside everything else, if we want to take moral issues off the table and deal solely with CA's horrible economic/budget situation, Ah-nold isn't the person for the job because he is NOT a fiscal Conservative. In this case, we can't afford to have liberal spendthrifts, and with Ah-nold's last little prop that passed, it's clear that he is. Even if Ah-nold was squeaky clean in his private life, it doesn't change that above fact. And to address the last sentence, winning elections for the sake of winning elections is nothing to crow about. It's about the best person for the job who has the best agenda. If both the "D" and the "R" have lousy agendas, you (and the people) win nothing, it's merely a win for a party on paper.

"You got your chance at a conservative idealog running for Governor, you got Bill Simon, and he lost to Davis when most people thought a corpse would beat him."

But this is merely a simplistic analysis. It ignores the fact that he didn't lose because of ideology, but because his fall campaign, for lack of a better word, sucked. You can't ignore that there is an absurdly long period between the primary and the general, and it can be difficult to keep momentum going in that timespan. I think the primary should be moved from March to probably July or perhaps even August. Why on Earth a primary for a November election is held 8 months ahead of time is crazy. No wonder it seems like we're in a neverending campaign cycle. No sooner has an election ended, that you've got to file and start campaigning for the next. It's ridiculous.

"Mistakes are only mistakes when you don't learn from them. Ask yourself this: 02 - Davis or Ridoran? Those were your choices. Simon couldn't win, and he didn't. The White House knew it. This time, you get Davis or Ridoran or The Terminator. Those are your choices. Deal with it. Choose wisely."

I'd go 3rd party (AIP candidate) if those are the choices. If it's going to be a liberal, let it be a 'Rat. The GOP shouldn't be tarred and feathered with that failed ideology. Have we learned nothing from Goldwater and Reagan ?

57 posted on 06/24/2003 12:14:44 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~Remember, it's not sporting to fire at RINO until charging~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Ahnold will whip Fat Mong any day of the week. He will ride the crest of T#3 and Hispanic voters to become next governator of Kali (for what it's worth)

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61 posted on 06/24/2003 12:49:15 PM PDT by dennisw (G-d is at war with Amelek for all generations)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Ahnold will whip Fat Mong any day of the week. He will ride the crest of T#3 and Hispanic voters to become next governator of Kali (for what it's worth)
64 posted on 06/24/2003 2:07:30 PM PDT by dennisw (G-d is at war with Amelek for all generations)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
"I'd go 3rd party (AIP candidate) if those are the choices. If it's going to be a liberal, let it be a 'Rat. The GOP shouldn't be tarred and feathered with that failed ideology. Have we learned nothing from Goldwater and Reagan ? "


"Don't vote for the polititian who is going to do the most for you, vote for the one that says he's going to do the least TO you."

Mark Twain.


Throwing away your vote on an ideological binge isn't going to get you anywhere.




79 posted on 06/25/2003 3:13:04 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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