Posted on 06/16/2003 4:40:52 PM PDT by neccen
WASHINGTON, June 16 — An American woman married to a Saudi man took refuge with her children in the U.S. consulate in the Saudi city of Jeddah at the weekend, joining another American woman and her three children who have been there since early June, U.S. official sources said on Monday.
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U.S. officials are in contact with the Saudi authorities in an attempt to resolve the two cases, she added. Under Saudi law, the women and the children cannot leave the country without the permission of the Saudi husbands.
Keep in mind, our young people have been indoctinated with multi-culturism. When they are told that other countries won't recognize the civil rights they take for granted, they don't believe it. "How do you know unless you've been there?", & they will think you are a bigot if you try to tell them otherwise. IMO, the price you'd have them pay for their re-education is too high.
1) can you describe the reason for using the low C stainless in the design of the Centaur?
2) Or the temper of the chem milled gores at Station 122.1?
3) Describe why in this area, 'dents' are not caused by internal pressures/ and how do the dents come out?
4) Why is it important to have an 8 microfinish smoothness on the fitting faces in the propellant pressurization subsystem?
5) What is the firing sequence of the SRB's on the Atlas IIAS and why is it that way?
6) Describe for me the ASME VIII code for pressure stabilized flight articles vs. having a structurally stable flight article?
7) How did this apply in the IPT deliberations over the design of the Atlas V?
Good point. A bizarre twist to their agenda.
Sorry, but that's the truth, and its been the policy of the U.S. for a very long time.
"While in a foreign country, a U.S. citizen is subject to that country's laws and regulations, which sometimes differ significantly from those in the United States and may not afford the protections available to the individual under U.S. law. As our Consular Information Sheets explain, penalties for breaking the law can be more severe than in the United States for similar offenses. Persons violating the law, even unknowingly, may be expelled, fined, arrested, or imprisoned. "
Even though they are a travesty and an abomination, the Saudi laws regarding marriage are quite well-known. Further, Saudi requires an exit visa, which in this case I believe can be issued only with permission of the husband. State is not going to covertly extradite Americans from any foreign country because those citizens cannot get and don't have an exit visa.
By the way, I'm certain that the embassy would be happy to issue a new passport to these women, but that's the first of several hurdles for them to lawfully leave the country.
These women are hosed, just as an American citizen would be in any country where they're violating local law.
Ugly but true.
i like your simple answer...amen
Mexico filed a complaint against the United States in the International Court of Justice today charging that American officials have violated the rights of all 54 Mexicans on death row in the United States and asking that their executions be commuted.
In its filing with the U.N. court in The Hague, Mexico argued that the United States violated the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which guarantees people access to their country's diplomatic missions when accused of a crime in a foreign country.
Juan Manuel Gomez Robledo, the Foreign Ministry lawyer who filed the complaint, said state and local courts in the United States regularly assign Mexican defendants public defenders who "speak little or no Spanish and have no experience in death penalty cases." He said if the courts followed the treaty, Mexican consulates would provide defendants Spanish-speaking lawyers who are well-versed in U.S. capital cases, which would greatly improve chances of a fair trial. "It's the difference between life and death," Gomez said.
Mexico has asked the court to recommend that the United States stay all 54 executions until the court rules. It has also asked the court to recommend that the death sentences be reduced to life in prison and that the men be granted new trials with lawyers provided by the Mexican government.
Of the 54 Mexicans on death row, 28 are in California, 16 are in Texas and the others are in Oregon, Oklahoma, Illinois, Arizona, Nevada, Florida, Arkansas and Ohio, Gomez said.
A U.S. government official said 100,000 Mexican nationals are in U.S. prisons, so sheer numbers make it difficult to comply with the Vienna Convention. In addition, he said, because the United States has so many local law enforcement agencies, it has been difficult to educate all of them about the treaty.
Today's filing follows an emotional case last August in which Texas executed a Mexican man, Javier Suarez Medina, after President Vicente Fox called President Bush and the state's governor, Rick Perry, to argue that Suarez's rights had been violated. Mary Robinson, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, the European Union and various human rights groups also asked that Texas stay the execution pending a review of Mexico's objections. But Suarez, who killed an undercover U.S. drug agent in 1988, was executed by lethal injection. The case became a national crusade in Mexico, and Fox, with the backing of all political parties here, canceled a scheduled visit with Bush at his Crawford, Tex., ranch to show his displeasure. Mexico has no death penalty -- or even a punishment of life in prison -- and many Mexicans believe capital punishment is disproportionately applied to Mexicans and other minorities in the United States.
"What Mexico has done here is very important, and the people who are going to benefit most from this are Americans," said Sandra Babcock, a Minnesota lawyer working with the Mexican government. Babcock said governments of the 164 other countries that have signed the treaty are less likely to honor it if the United States ignores it, which could have grave consequences for Americans arrested abroad. Babcock said that although the State Department has tried to educate local law enforcement agencies about the treaty, there are no sanctions in U.S. law for violators.
You're right. Good analogy. Mexico isn't the only country against us on the death penalty. A lot of countries won't allow extridition if the perp committed a capital crime.
You realize, you're equating marriage or being born to the wrong parent to commiting a crime, right? Imagine those women having opted for living in sin instead of getting married to their captors. I imagine they'd get the death penalty or be expelled, rather than being held against their will.
Feel free to pose the questions. Now me, I'm no rocket scientist, but when a rocket scientist I know posed the questions I posted, I took it as a challenge. About the only thing I know for sure about rocket science is pointy side up, hot side down. ;o)
Anyone interested in the answers, another friend of mine came up with some good ones:
1) can you describe the reason for using the low C stainless in the design of the Centaur?
Because the Hi-C leaves horrible stains especially the red stuff.
2) Or the temper of the chem milled gores at Station 122.1?
Probably angry especially at the chem milled bushes.
3) Describe why in this area, 'dents' are not caused by internal pressures/ and how do the dents come out?
Because dents are always caused by the other guy and the dents don't come out - they go in.
4)Why is it important to have an 8 microfinish smoothness on the fitting faces in the propellant pressurization subsystem?
Because otherwise you'll need a facial and a nice face lift.
5) What is the firing sequence of the SRB's on the Atlas IIAS and why is it that way?
This one's easy - 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 BLASTOFF! Why? Because we count in base 10.
6) Describe for me the ASME VIII code for pressure stabilized flight articles vs. having a structurally stable flight article?
The code is a pretty bunch of letters, numbers and symbols. The next part is a trick question - There is no such thing as a structurally stable anything if you have children.
7) How did this apply in the IPT deliberations over the design of the Atlas V?
He said yes, she said no, he said yea, right, they said prove it, someone else said it's obvious, then they all went to the golf course to see if that little ball was a structurally stable flight article.
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