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An INSANE situation up in Waltham, Massachusetts
Conservative Alerts.Com ^ | Chuck Muth

Posted on 06/16/2003 3:21:35 PM PDT by webber

An INSANE situation up in Waltham, Massachusetts

This one's so Outrageous, it makes our blood boil just to think of it. Take a look at his message:

ISSUE: Kim and George Bryant have been home-schooling their two kids, George (15) and Nyssa (13), much to the chagrin of the Waltham Public School (WPS) system. The Bryants thus far have refused to force their children to take a government-mandated standardized test to assess their education level.

The WPS empire struck back last year, obtaining a court order giving custody of the kids to the Department of Social Services (DSS), which ever since has been threatening to take the kids away from their parents.

As the MetroWest Daily News reported on Friday, "Both sides agree that the children are in no way abused mentally, physically, sexually or emotionally, but legal custody of the children was taken from Kim and George Bryant in December 2001." They were ruled to be "unfit" for not filing educational plans with the government.

Unfit. For not filing paperwork. With the government school system. Over the education of their OWN children.

In fact, George Bryant was actually ARRESTED six years ago for failing to comply with the government's dictates over the home-schooled education of HIS children.

Arrested!!...Thrown in jail!!...Like a criminal!!...For taking personal responsibility for the education of HIS kids.

This six-year legal battle exploded on Thursday as bureaucrats from the DSS showed up at the Bryants' home with police escorts at 7:45 a.m. and attempted to remove the children from their home and force them to take the mandated tests.

Once again, the Bryants told the government agents to pound dirt, resulting in a seven-hour standoff.

"This has been a six-year battle between the Waltham Public Schools and our family over who is in control of the education of our children," said Bryant.

How DARE these parents stand up to the government and defend their right to raise their children as they see fit? Who do they think they are?

At least, that's the attitude of one outrageous government bureaucrat involved in this brouhaha. "We have the legal custody of the children and we will do with them as we see fit," DSS trooper Susan Etscovitz told the Bryants Thursday morning. "They are minors and they do what we tell them to do."

It is near impossible to describe the rage I feel inside every time I read those chilling words. WE will do with them as WE see fit. They do what WE tell them to do.

The sheer audacity of a bureaucrat to make such a statement about someone else's children who are in no way abused in any shape, form or fashion is beyond comprehension to me.

Comrade Etscovitz maintained on Thursday that, "No one wants these children to be put in foster homes. The best course of action would be for (the Bryants) to instruct the children to take the test."

One can just imagine her words being delivered with a thick East German accent: "undt now, all vee need eez dee kidz!"

This isn't about education. It's about control. It's about an imperial government trying to crush a movement in its infancy which could one day spell the end of the public school monopoly over our kids' educations.

Home-schooling means children might start learning again. REAL learning. Not "whole language" and "self-esteem." Learning about radical notions such as freedom, liberty and personal responsibility. Notions such as limited government and the Constitution and the vision of our Founding Fathers.

Yeah, we can't have THAT!

ACTION ITEM: As it appears that DSS is getting its marching orders from the Waltham Public Schools, it seems the best place to start is with the School Superintendent there. Her name is Dr. Susan Parrella. She can be reached via email at:

parrellas@k12.waltham.ma.us
or by phone at:
(781) 314-5400
or fax at:
(781) 314-5411.

Emails are great... but nothing quite ruins a bureaucrat's day like dealing with a flood of phone calls. I know. I just called. The woman who answered the phone hung up on me when she found out what I was calling about. They do NOT want to answer any questions about this.

Oh, and by the way. I reached Ms. Etscovitz this morning. She was not a happy camper once she found out what I was calling about. Refused to comment on her "we will do with them as we see fit" statement, saying only, "I'm terminating this conversation now," before slamming the phone down.

I think it would really bug her if a lot of people called (781) 641-8500, so please, please don't rattle her cage, OK? That number not to call again to reach Susan Etscovitz is (781) 641-8500. That's (781) 641-8500. (You could also fax her at 781-648-6909.)

-- Chuck Muth, ConservativeAlerts.Com


We normally set up a website with a pre-written letter to Congress, etc. However, we thought it would be much more effective for our members to make contact as described above, in their own words. If you get a response you'd like to share, be sure to drop us a note. As this issue develops and is "bumped up the ladder" of responsibility, we'll let you know who to contact next.

NOTE: The situation in Waltham has gotten WAY out of hand.

Outraged Americans across the country need to contact these bureaucrats NOW to express their outrage and demand they do the RIGHT thing. Be sure to forward this email to everyone you know who wants to help save parental choice in America, starting in Massachusetts. p> Thank you!

--Chuck Muth, ConservativeAlerts.Com




TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
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Comment #81 Removed by Moderator

To: dark_lord
Which might have worked just fine in 1803, but is a great way of raising kids who are going to be a drain on the tax dollars of everyone else. Now my personal experience with homeschooling (and my kids are homeschooled) is that homeschooled kids are in general way ahead of public school kids.

If these educrat-fascists were really worried about kids growing up to be a drain on society, they'd focus on the kids who ARE in their government schools, which routinely turn out large numbers of completely ignorant, illiterate, and uncivilized young adults. The worst homeschooled kids aren't as bad as the worst government-schooled kids. As for the religious nutcase homeschoolers, at least they make sure the kids can READ -- so what if they've never read anything but the Bible; if they can read, then when they're grown up and out of the nest, they'll be ABLE to read other things.

82 posted on 06/16/2003 8:00:38 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Courier
Opps sorry, wrong thread.

Wrong person, too, since I wold never quote the EB.

Dissappointed too, because I had a really juicy reply, and now it's wasted.

Hank

83 posted on 06/16/2003 8:00:40 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief; Admin Moderator
Very sorry.

Admin Moderator: the one that really needed to go was 76. Thanks.

84 posted on 06/16/2003 8:05:58 PM PDT by Courier (The Saudis are our friends, they want us in Heaven as soon as possible.)
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To: peteram
Goose-stepping, swastika waving, Nazi people! What a bunch of socialistic fascists!
UNBELIEVABLE!

Not that I'm disagreeing either way, but were you talking about the goose-steppers in the article, or their ideological clones (pseudo-conservative RINOs defending their actions) here in this thread?

85 posted on 06/16/2003 8:30:43 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: CaptainJustice
No. They should NOT have to take the tests when private schools do not, the Amish do not, and other instances. Do you really think that being in government school assures one of getting a minimum education to get a job or go to college? Please! Half the kids out there drop out and I'm appalled and how poorly educated most of them are who stay in.
It is easy to see what is behind this. The government does NOT want you homeschooling your children not because of education at ALL but because of your "social" education. You might be taught something the government doesn't like!
86 posted on 06/16/2003 8:35:32 PM PDT by greccogirl
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To: jerrymdss
its like taking a test for a driver's license -- you dont just take everyone's word. ... Take the test.

Bwaaahahahahahahaaa! It's hilarious to me that you think the government is the final arbitor of education!! It is neither the right nor the responsibility of government to oversee the 'education' of children. Society has no right to test my or your children to see if they are educated to 'government standards', much less to take away perfectly happy children from a loving home because they will not submit the whim of some bureaucrat.

The failure of government schools is overwhelming. I know, I went to public school on the south side of Chicago. Thank God my parents provided me with what little time they could to educate me, and they also instilled in me a desire to learn. I learned despite public school, not because of it.

We are, if you do not know this by now, a nation of laws. Without them, total chaos and self interests impose on the rights of others.

The genius freedom philosophers that began this country came from 'nations of laws'. The rights of the individual are what make this country great, not the fact that assinine, ivory tower control freaks pass volume upon volume of laws every year. This country's value is 'Free'dom, not 'Law'dom.

Oh, and btw, laws can be an instrument to impose "chaos and self-interest" as well. Or are you that naive?

87 posted on 06/16/2003 8:41:55 PM PDT by servantoftheservant
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To: Hank Kerchief
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89 posted on 06/16/2003 8:55:19 PM PDT by servantoftheservant
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To: webber
Some serious phone calls to make on this one for sure!!!!

That action taken by those bureaucrats is the exact practice taken by the Nazi's in the 1930's when German children were taken from their parents and forced by the State to attend government schools.

In America we have the right to homeschool our children by invoking the First Amendment as a legal basis for refusing to send one's child to a government school that despises Jesus Christ. Public schools are mental institutions designed to make one's child mentally, and soulfully ill.
90 posted on 06/16/2003 8:59:51 PM PDT by goldilucky
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To: dark_lord
To take the position that homeschoolers are exempt from standardized testing (which is the least intrusive way for a state to determine that, yes, the kids are actually being educated instead of watching the cartoon channel all day) is like saying "heck, I'm a good driver, I don't need no stinkin' license, so I ain't gonna get one!" Well, yeah, maybe you are a good driver, and maybe you aren't, but if you are going to be on the roads with the rest of us we would like more than just your word on it!

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And you prefer to take the "state's" word for what constitutes adequate education because . . . ? (Certainly not because the state does such a good job of turning out educated citizens.)
91 posted on 06/16/2003 9:12:01 PM PDT by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: Sarah
Also education. Is that too oppressive? Just take the standardized tests and shut up!


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LOL. You would have just LOVED Mussolini.
92 posted on 06/16/2003 9:13:10 PM PDT by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: webber
Maybe the parents should make a deal with the school...you can test our kids if we can test your teachers.
93 posted on 06/16/2003 9:23:33 PM PDT by Travelgirl
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To: Courier
All the government wants is to know they are really being educated.

They don't seem to care about that at the government schools. Talk about hypocrisy. For every flaky home schooler, there are thousands upon thousands of braindead victims of educrats.

94 posted on 06/16/2003 9:39:56 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (Guten Tag!)
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To: webber
I don't blame them: Some 4,800 Mass. students fail exit exams in first year
95 posted on 06/16/2003 9:42:33 PM PDT by Xthe17th (FREE THE STATES. Repudiate the 17th amendment!)
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To: Arpege92
I can see your point but to boldly state "we will do with them as we see fit".....is over the line. Obviously, once things get to the point of enforcement things get ugly. The family had YEARS of seeing this coming...
96 posted on 06/16/2003 10:04:11 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: ping jockey
I agree in terms of quality of education. We've private/ and or home schooled all of our children. The point is not this, it's whether a parent can absolve his family from even the bare minimum of standardized testing to prove he's actually educating his children.
97 posted on 06/16/2003 10:07:52 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: Sloth
The kind of opinion I'd expect from someone volunteering to adopt the screen name 'Sloth'.
98 posted on 06/16/2003 10:09:41 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: dark_lord
One the one hand, we don't want "the state" especially as represented by social workers to decide to just take custody of kids because they don't like the fact that the parents haven't had their kids take a standardized test. On the other hand, we don't want some nut cases deciding that home schooling means they can keep their kids pig ignorant so that all they are fit for when they are adults is welfare and crime.

How about this for a compromise:

The kid takes the test. If he scores "average" or better, the parents get a refund on their property taxes for the "average" cost to educate a child in MA.

This would assume of course, that what passes for the American education system is concerned primarily with education. In reality, their only objective is indoctrination and building empires based on stolen goods.

99 posted on 06/16/2003 10:13:28 PM PDT by Mulder (Live Free or die)
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To: The Californian
The bulk of your post I answered in responses to others, but I just wanted to tell you a bit about vaccination studies.
The way vaccination of a population works is that when a vast majority of a given group vaccinates itself the disease no longer thrives there. Now given the fact that nothing is perfect, there are many that were in fact given the shots but are not in actuality innoculated against the disease. The way that these are protected is that the fact that the vast majority IS innoculated does not allow the disease to thrive and therefore those that are not in actuality safe from the disease never get it because they never have contact with the disease itself.
So, actually, someone could decide for himself that he will rely on the fact that he will never be exposed to the disease in his life, and avoid the pain/ possible side-effects of the shots and just coast on the situation provided by others eradicating the disease from the population.
So this may actually work for one person, but obviously not if everyone decided to opt out.
100 posted on 06/16/2003 10:18:54 PM PDT by Sarah
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