Posted on 06/16/2003 3:21:35 PM PDT by webber
And I want the State to take a flying f*** at a rolling donut....
But they know how to put a condom on a banana and stick their fist in someone else's rectum. That's progress for you....
They were ruled to be "unfit" for not filing educational plans with the government.
I think you're correct. I assumed the issue was over the MCAS test, a point at which the parents could've gotten thousands of angry people in their lawn stopping any action.
On second reading, it sounds as if the parents didn't file the necessary educational plans, in which they're supposed to go before the local school board, discuss what they're doing to provide for their children's education and how they were going to validate the progress their children were making. That plan would include types of testing and what extracurricular options (in the school, if desired) would be pursued. It's really a very flexible process.
I don't see the parents gripe here, if they haven't handed in their plan. As someone wrote, you don't want someone keeping their children out of school and providing some nutty terrorist "education"...or do you? Home study is really pretty common in Massachusetts, and local boards tend to be flexible.
I don't understand why these parents don't talk to the school system, set up a plan, and talk about testing. I wish they'd come online and chat with us; most home-study parents take pride in their children's achievement and could tell us what assessments they're doing to make sure the children are learning.
As someone else wrote, most school systems are actually thrilled when "screamers" decide to keep the kids home or send them to private school.
The day I become politically "correct," my wife has instuctions to shoot me and make it look like an accident. It would be a mercy killing.......
Did you consider that homeschooling might be the vaccine needed to cure the scourge of inadequate public schooling?
In these days of not so hidden diversity quotas and reverse discrimination, what difference does it really make if you have high/low test scores?
Homeschoolers like us, but... What happens when the standardized test tests for knowledge of PC doctrine? Then what? Parents will have to teach to the test, thus undermining the central purpose of homeschooling. A thorny problem for which I see no simple solution.
The Constitution doesn't bestow the right to keep and bear arms either even though it is iterated in the Bill of Rights. Take a look at the Ninth Amendment for "rights not enumerated". Also read the Tenth. Then there is Article IV, Section 2: "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Priveleges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States." Numerous people have sued the government, and won, to drive without lisences or vehicle registrations. The court found in their favor, why are they granted a Privelege or Immunity from the law that the rest of us are not?
Doesn't a Citizen have a right to travel freely within our own country? Is it the States' business how we travel? The current mode of common transportation is by automobile. To be denied the ability to travel freely is to severely hamper the freedom of the individual. It would be economically crippling to most people to be denied the ability to drive. Placing restrictions on that without just cause or due process is invasive upon the individual liberties of the Citizen.
You avoided the most important question; "If a driver has not demonstrated a danger to the community or caused harm to anyone why should he/she be tested, lisenced and registered by the government?"
We will deal with that problem when we come to it. As long as the standardized tests provided to home schoolers are the same tests as those provided to the public schoolers, that is the 1st defense. Anyone who takes the time to find sample copies of those tests (the push behind those tests coming from the Bush administration, BTW) can see that they are not PC oriented, but standard math, science, english, etc. If and when PC tests surface, then we can hammer them. But so far all I see is a lot of fearful paranoia. If someone can find a documented "PC test" designed for home schoolers, please copy it, scan it in, and post it. Otherwise it is all like chicken little running around shouting how the "PC tests" are coming with no evidence that this is the case.
But according to your logic, I can build my own rocket powered wagon and go drive it on the roads. Mad Max vehicles here we come. After all, if I have the right to travel freely, and it is not the business of the State how we travel, then I see no reason I cannot just go build my own rocket fueled vehicle to go tooling about town. And if I want to guy buy a semi-tractor and go driving it around without any commercial license or any license at all, that is my business.
The bottom line of your philosophy is actually anarchism. I imagine you consider yourself a conservative, not an anarchist, is that right?
Hmmm...so you:
(a) Post a perfectly ridiculous set of inane conditions and say "This is what you believe", and
(b) When I respond that you are off your meds you reply "the typical liberals answer. Don't make sense, just give some off-the-wall answer and look intelligent".
I don't know how old you are but apparently you have no concept of using debate to argue a point, but rather you appear to simply make wild statements and then ad hominem attacks. Don't go posting a bunch of foolishness and say "this is what you believe". That is the level of argument of 1st graders. If you want to respond to someone, respond to what they actually said, don't go making stuff up, projecting it on them, and then responding to what you made up yourself!
That's not quite true. The more public schools fail the more money is shoveled at them.
"Let no child be left behind!"
Given the direction the gooberment is taking kids...I'm begging on my knees...
"Please, leave my kid behind!!!"
You failed to read the restricting language of my posts. The restrictive language of the Constitution. "Unless some provable danger or harm is done..." to paraphrase myself. A nation under the rule of law allows for redress of grievances, it does not require apriori proof of fitness to participate. I also delineated specifically what type of transportation and why in order to establish my point. You used your own imagination to stretch it to the absurdity of anarchy, not me.
Why shouldn't it be? If you are going to concede that the government has a right to regulate your business then I'll agree (for the sake of argument). So if you aren't using the tractor rig for business why should the government intercede?
I'm not crazy about your logic here. Guns are inanimate objects and definitely kill if handled incompetently or maliciously. Should firearms owners be tested, lisenced and registered in order to own and use guns? Like firearms I think there are sufficient sanctions and repercussions for misuse of an automobile. If they are not sufficient they can be strengthened to the point that only a fool would get behind the wheel without educating and training themselves first.
The essence of that thought is pure socialism. This is not a slam against you, if you feel slighted that is your choice, it is merely an observation. The philosophy underlying your statement is antithetical to the philosophy of government embodied in the Constitution. Unfortunately it is very popular today even here in the U.S. It makes France what it is.
"Do these DOs have anything to do with osteopathy? (basically the Dr. that women reaching menopause see who are worried about the detioration of their bones?)"
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You appear to be confusing the condition, "osteoporosis" with the profession of osteopathy. You might go here..www.academyofosteopathy.org and learn about DO's here in the States.......
DO's can be anything from Cardiac Surgeons to GP's....They most certainly could be specialists ( my experience is they have been Radiology or Ortho Drs..) in osteoporosis also.......
FWIW
Why? What compelling interest of the State overrides the individual right that makes it necessary to test math competency or astronomical knowledge? Does knowledge of math impart intelligence? Honor? Morality? Loyalty to family, community or country? Does it insure happiness?
...or that the Earth revolves around the Sun.
Sherlock Holmes addressed this very question (and obviously it was the thought of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who was not unsuccessful or considered a dolt). Holmes said "I am not interested to know that the Earth revolves around the Sun. I don't need to know such things. The knowledge of it has no practical use to me."
An awful lot of people here seem to think that education (which is stretching the limits of logic and common sense when applied to government schooling) is necessary to the acquistion of intelligence, happiness and productivity. That's a load of manure big enough to fertilize eastern Montana! What is truly disturbing though is the recurrent idea that 'society' has some right to standardize the fit and form of the individuals that make it up. What's worse is the idea that the State ought to use its power and force individuals to conform to this societal ideal. Seig heil (Hail welfare), Comrades!
Abraham Lincoln and George Washington Carver can thank their lucky stars they were born way back when.
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