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"Heck, their giving them away to police dept.'s. Were getting 4 M-14's and 4 M-16's too. Said it was for Homeland Security."

I'm glad to hear of this Cap'n.....in certain situations law enforcement definately needs an M-14 in their battery.....remember those California bank robbers that shot it out for 45 minutes with the police several years ago?.....those guys were in full body armor.....hello!...it's big bore time!...forget the lightweight, high speed stuff...time to 'break on thru to the other side'.....BTW I was in New York City when the war on Iraq started....the city was in a state of Max security alert....police presence was every where and guess what rifles they were carrying?.....mini-14s

Uncle's surplus is unimaginable. In 1962 our Air Force ROTC drill team needed some replacement '03s and WWI 18" bayonets. We would chrome the bayonets and removed the firing pin from the rifle! It would then be ready for our use

Our ROTC supply sergeant had an Army friend who was stationed at Fort Knox. He told our ROTC detachment commander that his Army supply sergeant friend would be in the NY area and a pair of tickets to Camelot would "grease the skids". The tickets were provided and our drill team received 100 '03's at a nickle a piece! They were still packaged in canvas bags with the original cosmoline. The manufacturing dates were in 1939 and 1940. They had never made it into WWII action because the M-1 carbine replaced it! Our seargeant said that there were vast underground storage tunnels where these weapons had been stored and I'm sure there still packed with WWII weapons. Kinda like the storage facility depicted at the end of the film "Indian Jones and Raiders of the Lost Ark!"

When I was active duty the LEO - WOD federal assistance program I was attached to for a while ,AKA JTF-6 , was providing such to LEO's on a regular basis. As you state the tewls and toys are still there for the asking by ones departmental logistics weenie pretty much.

My one concern and maybe you can answer this in FReep mail or open forum (or respectively not at all :o) is why are LEO's being given M60's and SAW's or in some cases even M2's (MaDuce) ?

I can understand the tactical application of a full auto M16 or Sub gun for Door kickers doing the dance of death from a stack having to remove as a last resort a POS from inside a dwelling but to unleash a belt fed SAW (M249 or M60) in urban settings would be IMHO a risk managers wakeup call .

A 50 calliber sniper rifle I could justify as I can plan or prepair the down range hazard to bystanders and occupied dwellings for that single surgically placed (hopefully) round by a trained selected marksman.

But my question is what is the mindset of those authorizing such use and what is the alledged scenerio they "think" their use would be justified.

Thanks ahead of time for taking the time to educate my old retired military/ deputy sheriff mindset...........:o)

Stay Safe !