Looks like SARS will go to zero by month's end.

World Health Organization ^ | June 15, 2003 | StACase

[StACase]

The important statistic with regard to diseases such as SARS is, in my opinion, the number of active cases. WHO and News organizations don't report this stat. However, WHO since April 10th has reported total number of cases, deaths and recoveries from which the number active cases can easily be derived. So, if my Excel® generated chart of that data is correct, SARS will hit "Zero" active cases before the end of June.

[Betty Jo]

I agree, no way is it going to Zero by July 1.

Yes we are keeping them alive on ventilators,but for how long can they live on them?

And how long will they live if taken off?

[Betty Jo]

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1030179/0000912057-00-015188.txt

Read about Camille Chebeir a director of Med-Emerg:

"Mr.Chebeir is President of Sedco Services Inc,New York,responsible for a prominite Saudi family on it's off-shore investments and overseeing management of it's US portfolio.

Mr.Chebeir serves as a managing Director of MetroWest, a multipurpose Real estate Development-Florida.

He is a member of the board of directos of several US and overseas companies within Sedco's business activities."

[frithguild]

This is a little far from my field, so I'll give it a SWAG.

Health issues are ordinarily handled by local and state governments. Most, if not all, states give broad powers to the Medical Examiner to take precautions such as quarantine where appropriate criteria are met. Talk to your parents and grandparents about tuberculosis. People who suffered from that disease, before there was a vacccine, were sent "out to the shacks."

Adding a federal component to preventing the spread of disease has not been a positive development (I generally fail to see how expansion of fereral power over the past 100 years has been positive on almost any front). With the interposition of activist concocted rights of privacy, we have been subject to a vast and unchecked epidemic, namely AIDS.

I have no doubt that any court will protect their tender hides while conducting any hearing regarding infected people. I don't see that as an issue.

Hope this helps

[Calpernia]

Ping to Frithguild's post.

[Betty Jo]

Thanks for your input.

[Betty Jo]

See my #180 and 182,since I know how much you like wealthy Saudi's.

[CobaltBlue]

>>Oh Joy, the lawyers are in on it now.<<

I am a lawyer, myself. Following this closely. (They also serve who only stand and wait.)

The intersection between individual rights and public rights (like public health) is an interesting one.

If SARS breaks bad, no doubt there will be many who will argue that if you are worried about SARS, you should stay home, rather than impinge on their rights to go whereever they want and do whatever they want.

On the other side will be those who argue in favor of the rights of the public good (admittedly a somewhat ephemeral and nebulous concept).

I tend to side with the public good on this one. I put SARS and other deadly epidemics in pretty much the same category was war, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and massive fires. There may come a time in your life where you had better listen and cooperate, and everybody can worry about the details later. If so, sit down, shut up, and do what you're told (within reason).

I don't expect everybody to agree with me, but if you were my client, that's what I'd advise (always within reason) because that's how the case will turn out anyway.

The police power of the state has always extended to matters of public health for hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of years.

We are all part of the body politic, parties to the social contract.

[Domestic Church]

Was this teacher at that Catholic highschool that was quarantined or another school?

[Logical Extinction]

I agree with your points.

If you review my posts, you will see that I have argued that any mathematical formulation on the SARS epidemic is doomed to failure or fraudulent - at this time.

My position being:

The value of T is unknown.

[CathyRyan]

I agree with you I think public health beats spoiled brat. :)

[Betty Jo]

You may be missing the tone of my question.

How will the federal law interface with state,Texas and local, Dallas and/or whatever county it is in?

May this mans defense drag the feds in?

If Texas dosn't do what the feds want, can the feds override texas?

[Betty Jo]

"A teacher at Father Michael Mc Givny Catholic Academy.......under quarantine"

[Betty Jo]

See my #180,#182

Then read http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1053711964839_58/?hub=Health

see what a company at one time, and maybe even now is partly owned and directed by a funder of Bin Laden.

It takes a few seconds to load.

Scroll down.

[Betty Jo]

See my # 180,182 and 193

[EternalHope]

The value of T is unknown.

Agree completely.

[CobaltBlue]

I don't know the answer off the top of my head, Betty Jo. We didn't study the law of quarantine in law school and it hasn't come up since then.

However, based on my general understanding of federal-state relations - states take care of health problems inside the individiual states, but the federal government has preemptive powers over interstate health problems, and an epidemic that crosses state lines would be under federal jurisdiction.

In the case of a man who doesn't want to go into quarantine due to a localized epidemic, I don't think the feds are going to step in at this point.

However, Dubya did (by executive order) add SARS to the list of diseases that can trigger federal intervention in case of a generalized outbreak - which hasn't occurred yet.

We haven't had an epidemic in a while. The last major epidemic was the 1918 flu, I guess, or maybe it was polio in the 1950's-1960's. I think TB is on the list, too.

If I run across any articles about this, I'll link them or post them.

[StACase]

On the 30th of June will you post again, letting us know whether or not your prediction of no active cases is accurate?

Well, graphically it looks like it's going to flare out and that frog may never reach the wall.

[per loin]

I'd expect that from what I've seen so far. Many of these patients spend a long time in the hospital before recovering or dying.

[StACase]

On the 30th of June will you post again, letting us know whether or not your prediction of no active cases is accurate?

Looks like it's flaring out.

[Judith Anne]

I'm here...it was and is my aim to be helpful and get out as much information as possible, and to make sure that as many people as possible have SARS information before the fall flu season begins.

It's also my aim to communicate with people who have information I want, about SARS.

I have strong feelings about people who come to these threads to disrupt. I have no desire to be around them. And since I have an actual, interesting (to me) life, a huge family that I dearly love, and several close friends I had neglected, I took a break from posting. I may or may not stay.

Thanks to all posters, and I consider you friends, who pinged me and kept me in the loop. That was a nice thing to do, and I won't forget it. Thanks for the many intelligent posts, and thoughtful reasoning that well-informed people have brought to the threads. It's impossible to know, right now, how much that information may be necessary to all readers of the SARS threads in the future.