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OUTRAGE AT U.S. SHOOTING
Sky News ^ | 06/16/03 | Sky News

Posted on 06/13/2003 2:21:21 PM PDT by tomball

There has been controversy in the United States after two police officers shot and killed a suspected drunk driver in Louisiana.

The incident happened in a supermarket car park in the town of Shreveport and was captured on CCTV.

The 25-year-old man jumped out of his car and pointed what the officers say they thought was a gun.  They responded by shooting him eight times in the back as he ran away.  They then discovered his supposed weapon was only a mobile phone.

Police had chased him to the car park after he jumped a red light.  A spokesman for the local police said they had studied the video tapes of the shooting.  They decided it was justified because the officers felt threatened.

Shreveport police chief Jim Roberts said: "They felt their lives were in danger."

He said he believed the victim had engineered the incident to get himself killed in a "suicide-by-cop".



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To: Grando Calrissian
Yeah, like sane guys raise peacocks in Aspen. I'm a big Thompson fan, though he's pretty burnt out the last decade or so.
81 posted on 06/13/2003 4:10:07 PM PDT by discostu (If he really thinks we're the devil, then lets send him to hell)
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To: Bisesi
One other thing KEEP IN MIND that they put up with ASSHOLES all day, EVERY day they are on duty

There may be a cause and effect relationship at work here.

be smart, be polite and obey their commands and stay ABOVE GROUND for another day.

Be polite or die? Seems a little extreme.

82 posted on 06/13/2003 4:14:09 PM PDT by j_tull (# grep "truth" "Living History" > truth.txt ; wc truth.txt <cr> 0)
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To: discostu
Indeed. You could probably argue that he lost it two decades ago. Reading his occasional columns on ESPN.com show him to be a sad caricature of his former glory.

And upon further review of the photos, Marquise Hudspeth is clearly a dumbass.

83 posted on 06/13/2003 4:15:19 PM PDT by Grando Calrissian
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To: Grando Calrissian
We are in complete agreement.
84 posted on 06/13/2003 4:16:01 PM PDT by discostu (If he really thinks we're the devil, then lets send him to hell)
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To: sinkspur
The average John Doe couldn't justify such a shooting in his own bedroom at 3 am during a violent home invasion. 8 shots to the front of an assailant will get you convicted. Maybe in Massachusetts; not in Texas or Louisiana

You got that right. If a perp is entering your front door you can shoot to kill. Before the serial killer was caught here Gov. Foster was telling the ladies to get a gun and learn how to use it.

85 posted on 06/13/2003 4:17:12 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: stryker
This "perp" merely ran a red light

Hardly. See this report. I'll excerpt it for you, addding emphasis where appropriate.

"A Shreveport man was fatally shot by police late Saturday after a chase that began when he was observed driving erratically - two days after an unrelated police chase in which an officer was shot after a botched getaway attempt following an armored car robbery. [I guess that officer thought he saw a cell phone, not a gun]

Saturday's 25-year-old shooting victim was identified Sunday by police as Marquise Hudspeth, of the 400 block of Seneca Trail. He was killed by Shreveport police just before midnight Saturday after a nearly five-mile chase that ended with his cellular phone being mistaken for a pistol.

Police Chief Jim Roberts said Hudspeth was observed driving "erratically, dangerously," and a chase between Hudspeth and police officers took off on North Market Street, proceeding four or five blocks to the intersection of North Market Street and North Hearne Avenue, then continued south to Midway Avenue, about six blocks south of Interstate 20.

"When police attempted to stop the vehicle, the driver refused to stop and continued driving erratically southbound on Hearne Avenue," said police spokeswoman Kacee Hargrave.

She said Cpl. Denver Ramsey and patrolmen Michael Armstrong and Steven Hathorn were about to end the pursuit when Hudspeth's gray Cadillac pulled into the parking lot of a closed Circle K just off Hearne Avenue, at Rightway and Midway avenues. Hudspeth left the car and walked away from the officers.

After ignoring several commands to stop, Hudspeth turned and pointed a "chrome, shiny" object that appeared to be a gun, but turned out to be a cellular phone, Roberts said.

"He was holding it like you'd hold a pistol in your hand," he said. "It was chrome, shiny, and he was holding it with two hands, as though it was a weapon." Roberts said the distance was "maybe four or five feet between the suspect and the officer."

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Sorry, but if you try to spin this as anything but justified, then at least disclose your agenda. Mine is anti-crime and working from the facts.

86 posted on 06/13/2003 4:21:40 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: tahiti
Onelifetogive posts:   "1) Don't run from cops. 2) Don't spit on cops. 3) Don't tell cops where they can shove it! 4) Say "Yes, sir." and "No, sir." to cops, as required. 5) Don't take a swing at a cop. 6) If a cop is acting like a total jerk, see recommendation #4."

tahiti responds:   "I believe this is a direct quote from Josef Stalin."

And I believe that response is a direct quote from someone who doesn't know the difference between being a conservative and being an ignorant buttwipe.

87 posted on 06/13/2003 4:29:00 PM PDT by Boot Hill
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To: tomball
An officer's view of the shooting SPD 170 5:21 to 5:26

Office pulls up to the scene and as he opens the door and starts to step out he can be seen ducking for cover through the back window of Hudspeth's car.

"Officers don't get out of police cars and duck unless we have perceived something is wrong," Sgt. Gary smith said. "He has perceived a threat to his life here."

At the same time, on SPD 138SPD 138 03:10

Hudspeth can be seen pointing an object that was latter found to be a silver cell phone at the office who ducked.SPD 138 03:11

Hudspeth pushes away from an officer with his left arm.

Because Hudspeth was a perceived threat to the officer who ducked, he waits until his fellow officer is out of the way before firing two rounds. SPD 138 03:12

"He fires two rounds at that threat perceived," Sgt. Smith says.

As Hudpseth walks away, his left arm now immobilized by the shots, the officers who are still in survival mode because of the threat they perceive, command Hudspeth to drop what's in his hand and stop.SPD 138 03:13-03:15

They are doing what's called a shuffle step," Smith sadid. They are telling him to stop and drop his weapon with each step."SPD 138 03:15-03:16, also on 185 03:09-03:10

Hudpseth, his left rm now wounded and not working properly, turns around and again points the object using his right hand at the officer, who ducks.

"He swung around with the right arm and points something at the officer," said Smith. "He's still a threat to them. They don't want to shoot him again, but he just did something here that's going to cause them to do what they have to do."SPD 138 03:16-03:18

The officer on the right now sees the threat and begins shooting.

Smith said Hudpseth, who was repeatedly told to drop the object in his hand and stop, was a perceived threat from the time the officers saw the object until Hudspeth was on the ground.

Source: http://www.nwlouisiana.com/video/shooting051103/notes.shtml

88 posted on 06/13/2003 4:41:07 PM PDT by miltonim
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To: Lysander
What an idiotic comment! Racist too.
89 posted on 06/13/2003 4:41:16 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: tomball
I'm surprised that they hit him 8 times.
Statistics show that about 80% of their shots miss in situations like this.
Well, maybe they shot 40 times.
90 posted on 06/13/2003 4:41:21 PM PDT by RightWinger
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To: tahiti
At minimum, the person who is to be gunned down by "cops" would have has to first actually shoot at the "cops

Congratulations! You have won the dumbest comment of the week award.

91 posted on 06/13/2003 4:47:51 PM PDT by zip
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To: RightWinger
Well, maybe they shot 40 times.

Into the whiskey already?

92 posted on 06/13/2003 4:48:46 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
. You point ANYTHING at a police officer, you're as good as dead. Period

Excellent point. I cannot believe some of the posts (actually I can believe them.) I see these comments pop up every time a LEO has to fire in line of duty.

93 posted on 06/13/2003 4:59:51 PM PDT by zip
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To: *bang_list
"He was holding it like you'd hold a pistol in your hand,"

Weaver or Isosceles?
94 posted on 06/13/2003 5:03:19 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Poohbah
How come I never get shot at by pi$$ed off cops

Pure bad luck? But don't stop trying.

95 posted on 06/13/2003 5:04:42 PM PDT by razorback-bert (White Devils for Al-Sharpton 2004... Texas Chapter)
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To: tahiti
When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's it was consider chicken shit and cowardly to shoot a man in the back.

Yeah, I've heard it called that, "chicken shit", "cowardly", "murder", ... things like that.

96 posted on 06/13/2003 5:06:24 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: sinkspur
You pointe ANYTHING at a police officer,you're as good as dead. Period.
True. But it didn't used to be like that.
97 posted on 06/13/2003 5:20:32 PM PDT by Pompah
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To: Pompah
True. But it didn't used to be like that.

Right. Perps didn't point guns at cops, or shoot cops.

Now, cops are in fear for their lives every time they step out the squad car.

It's not their fault.

98 posted on 06/13/2003 5:31:07 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: microgood

May be the cop thought it was a Cell phone gun?

Not that I'm defending the cops actions in either way.

99 posted on 06/13/2003 5:31:21 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: freeeee
Apropos of chicken shit:

A little boy is sitting on the curb mixing something in a bucket. Buford Justice comes by and begins to try to intimidate the kid by demanding to know what is being mixed in the bucket.

The answer: "Chichen shit and water."

Ossifer Justice demands to know what is being made with the mix and is told "Gwine to make me a postman".

The pithicine parasite laughs and says "Ain't got the guts to make a cop?"

Answer: "Nawsuh, ain't got 'nuff chichen shit."

And before flaming me, I have some friends who are officers and agree - shooting a man in the back is nearly impossible to justify; "plumb chicken shit" was one comment. Not impossible in this case, evidently.

But let's not forget that that state has a legal code based not on English Common Law, nor does it draw upon Blackstone.

Louisana law is based on the Napoleonic Code. Take American Law and stand it on its head and you get the idea.
100 posted on 06/13/2003 6:08:37 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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