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Home-schooling standoff (MA Liberals try to get state custody for 'abused' home-schooled kids)
Metrowest Daily ^ | 6/13/03 | Beecher

Posted on 06/13/2003 12:26:29 PM PDT by pabianice

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To: Lady Eileen
From the article (post#259) about DSS conflicts of interest:

Noted under the “Adoption Incentive Payment” section of the act, a state can receive as much as $4,000 for adopting out a child. Under another provision technical assistance is offered “through grants or contracts…to assist states and local communities to reach their targets for increased numbers of adoptions.” This financial assistance can be used to expedite termination of parental rights and to “encourage the fast tracking of children who have not attained 1 year of age into pre-adoptive placements.” Technical assistance is also appropriated to the courts – as much as $5,000,000 for each fiscal year.

Many agree that the goal of this law is good – to move children out of foster homes and into permanent adoptive placements. But the same state government agency entrusted with the job of protecting children ...is also given huge bonuses by the federal government if they push to terminate parental rights and boost their adoption numbers.


261 posted on 06/13/2003 9:09:26 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: TaxRelief
I nabbed this great quote from your homepage.

Each of us has a natural right—from God— to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two. Bastiat - The Law (1801-1850)

262 posted on 06/13/2003 9:11:15 PM PDT by Lady Eileen
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Wasn't it the lawyers and judges that requested that they not have to inform juries because they weren't getting enough convictions? Sometime in the late 1800's? With the lack of education and the way juries are selected and disqualified (OJ) they probably wouldn't understand the importance of Jury Law anyway. Too bad, since it's really the only power the individual has since we are no longer a representative republic but controlled by the rule of the mob.(democracy)

Sorry got into a rant there.
263 posted on 06/13/2003 9:18:34 PM PDT by BabsC
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To: Democratic_Machiavelli
Some homeschooling families don't learn subjects in the same order that public school children learn them.

I homeschooled my kids for years and helped teach a number of other kids at home as well. I soon gave up doing regular "curricula" - I am not organized enough, didn't have enough time or money. I taught in a very "organic" way - let the kids learn at their own pace, invented lessons and tests, etc. Result? When my kids had to go to school for a while when I had to work full time, they were in the top 5% and had to get bumped up to "talented and gifted" classes. And I was a high school dropout.

264 posted on 06/13/2003 9:25:55 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: BabsC
Yes, it was some time either in the late 19th or early 20th century when the Supreme Court ruled that the jury did not have to be informed of it's right to judge the law. From that ruling, the judges and prosecutors have collaborated to determine that the right of the common juror to judge the law as well as the facts no longer existed.
265 posted on 06/13/2003 9:29:14 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: BabsC
P.S. follow the link to www.fija.org and read more. It is very interesting.
266 posted on 06/13/2003 9:30:05 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Lady Eileen
Mmm....Love reading that line. "The Law" by Bastiat is a great read. 80-something pages and just $3.98. People usually are very grateful to receive (and read) this amazing work.
267 posted on 06/13/2003 9:31:24 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: TaxRelief
But the same state government agency entrusted with the job of protecting children ...is also given huge bonuses by the federal government if they push to terminate parental rights and boost their adoption numbers.

I know people who have spent their entire lives in the "Foster Care" system but were never adopted. The government cannot love...The Foster Care system just like the Government School system has brought much destruction in the lives of many Americans... My prayer is that by the invisible hand of Providence...the Welfare State will come to an end.

268 posted on 06/13/2003 9:31:40 PM PDT by Lady Eileen
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To: TaxRelief
The best solution to CPS/DSS abuse is to end the practice of closing court records just because the cases involve minors. Freedom of the press is one of the best protections against court abuse.

Could not agree more, Tax Relief. THANK YOU for bringing this up. The practice of sealing adoption records records is a case in point. The adoption industry lobbbies long and hard to keep records closed in the name of "birthmother privacy." It's not about "birthmother privacy!" If a child is never adopted, the records are never sealed, and anyone can find out who is who, for instance. The records are not sealed to court clerks or insurance companies. Baptismal records are not sealed either. Records are sealed to protect the agencies who have a history of highly questionable adoption practice from lawsuits and public outrage , and to protect the adoptive family FROM birthmothers, not the other way around.

Could not agree with you more, TR, could not agree with you more. Closed records are a conservative issue, imo. The government should not be keeping people's records from then, nor should it be in the business of identity erasure.

JMO

269 posted on 06/13/2003 9:35:14 PM PDT by ladysusan (Social wreckers, not social workers)
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To: SamAdams76
However, I must say that I see nothing wrong with periodic testing (similar to what children in school receive) to ensure that the children are actually being taught something.

You mention that maybe welfare mothers would sit around watching TV while their kids run around uneducated. I venture to say that welfare mothers who want to watch TV like nothing better than to shunt their kids off to school so they can enjoy the TV without kids screaming. I have known many homeschooling families and it is very hard work. Much "easier" to have them gone all day.

Virtually all homeschooled children are much better educated than those at the gov't schools. The testing thing is intrusive and Nazi-like. Just let the kids pass a test at the end of high school for graduation, that's enough.

270 posted on 06/13/2003 9:38:55 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: TaxRelief
"The Law" by Bastiat is a great read. 80-something pages and just $3.98. People usually are very grateful to receive (and read) this amazing work.

I could not agree with you more. I love this little book. I gave my last copy to Rev. J.L. Peterson when I met him (I thought it would help him with his ministry). He was very grateful to receive it : ) Seeing the quote made me realize I need to go buy another one this weekend.

271 posted on 06/13/2003 9:46:53 PM PDT by Lady Eileen
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To: pram
...welfare mothers who want to watch TV like nothing better than to shunt their kids off to school so they can enjoy the TV without kids screaming.

Absolutely right. By definition, a lazy person will ship out the kids at any opportunity, because childcare or homeschooling is hard work.

(Before anyone gets offended--Sending kids off to school or camp does not imply that one is lazy.)

272 posted on 06/13/2003 9:52:31 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: TaxRelief
They do get the adoption bounty when they are placed ala Clinton's Adoption 2000 Act. However, they also get federal dollars under the Mondale Act for every child they can warehouse. It's all about money, never doubt it. The REAL money in adoption comes from the placements of healthy white infants. The $4,000.00 adoption bounty is chump change in the hard core world of adoption, where a premium white infant can fetch up to $250,000.00. That is the benchmark and the ideal in adoption: The newborn who goes from the womb to the adoptive couple's arms. In that case, the money just flows. Here's a url
Here's another

That said, you are still quite right about the adoption bounty and the warehousing of children; it's the next best thing to placing the babies of unwed mothers who are in very short supply (and therefore bring in the big bucks. ) It's all a business. It's all one continuum which exploits people reproductively for the sake of the buck. Its time we woke up to that fact.

May God have mercy on us all

273 posted on 06/13/2003 9:53:10 PM PDT by ladysusan (Social wreckers, not social workers)
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To: CyberCowboy777

"When an opponent declares, 'I will not come over to your side, 'I calmly say, 'Your child belongs to us already...What are you? You will pass on. Your decendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing but this new community. - Adolf Hitler" -- CyberCowboy777

It sure would tickle my fancy if you could authenticate that quote. I will wager, you can't.
274 posted on 06/13/2003 9:54:46 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Lady Eileen
A visual reminder!


275 posted on 06/13/2003 9:57:16 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: Cathryn Crawford
There is nothing worse than unelected bureaucrats on power trips.

Fortunatly for me, I never had to deal with DSS/CPS. I consider myself lucky, especially in this day and age.

276 posted on 06/13/2003 10:00:50 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (When someone tells me 'my way or the highway', I take the highway)
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To: TaxRelief
Thank you soooo much.
277 posted on 06/13/2003 10:04:21 PM PDT by Lady Eileen
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To: Buckeroo; CyberCowboy777
Oh, it's you. Trying to stir up the pot again.

Here is your link. Adolf Hitler Quotes

It is really unnecessary to take such an agressive stance with people. Just ask politely for links if you want them.

278 posted on 06/13/2003 10:06:07 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Manners can get you everywhere.)
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To: TaxRelief
Just imagine what would happen in America if every FReeper read this book : )
279 posted on 06/13/2003 10:07:16 PM PDT by Lady Eileen
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To: SamAdams76
Is the annual testing of home-school children such a bad thing?

Yes, because the agenda of the State can be rolled into the testing.

280 posted on 06/13/2003 10:09:54 PM PDT by B Knotts
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