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A hungry black bear barges in to kitchen
The Newark Star Ledger ^ | 06.12.03

Posted on 06/12/2003 9:14:03 PM PDT by Coleus

Edited on 07/06/2004 6:38:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A 200-pound black bear crashed through the screen door of a Vernon home yesterday, ransacking the kitchen and trapping a woman and her two young children in a bedroom until police arrived and rescued them.

The female bruin was shot and killed as it tried to get out of the house through an open window.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Free Republic; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; bear; blackbear; constitution; guns; hunting; newjersey; nj; vernon; whitman
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To: Coleus
Pick-a-nick basket bump.
21 posted on 06/13/2003 6:11:39 AM PDT by SquirrelKing (Beware the tyrrany of the urgent.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; Poohbah; Howlin; mhking; Miss Marple
If a bear breaks into MY house, it will become a rug - I don't care if it's black, white, brown, or grizzly.
22 posted on 06/13/2003 6:21:35 AM PDT by hchutch ("If you don’t win, you don’t get to put your principles into practice." David Horowitz)
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To: Coleus
Police and a biologist from the state Division of Fish and Wildlife shot and killed the bear as it climbed out a window

Sounds like the bear was retreating and the officer shot him in the back. Not fair :-)

23 posted on 06/13/2003 6:25:33 AM PDT by krb (the statement on the other side of this tagline is false)
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To: Coleus
I've got a compromise for you:

Round up all the PETA types and put them in a trailer (ok, maybe a tree...no, isn't that some other wacko group). Then let the bears come and look for food.

When the loony liberals call the police and beg for someone to come and help, the officer responding can simply tell them, "sorry, these bears have more 'rights' than you." Then the bear can be given free reign to assuage his appetite.
24 posted on 06/13/2003 6:34:31 AM PDT by OldCorps
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To: Coleus

You'd like to believe that one of the advantages of modern, technological society is relative freedom from the threat of predatory beasts. Have we come so far in 5,000 years only to have lions and tigers and bears wandering into our houses? This is nuts.


25 posted on 06/13/2003 6:42:01 AM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: djf
An older friend of mine tells me the story. He worked for a glass plant in Seattle. The company he worked for ships some guy and his family out here from Philly.

They decide to go camping. The city slicker gets himself one of those old style, 40 quart steel lined coolers and loads it with steaks and corn and potato salad, they all head up to White River campground on the east side of Mt. Rainier. Cook up a good dinner, everybody has a great time, then they bed down in separate tents.

Middle of the night, there's a ruckus. People screaming and some such. My friend hears car doors slamming and the sound of rubber peeling.
In the morning, the rangers showed up. Dude had left in a hurry, even left his tent and sleeping bags. They managed to find a few scraps of red-painted metal from the outside of the cooler, and one of the bears was still hanging around burping occasionally. The guy was probably in alot more danger hightailing down a mountainside in the dark than he was from the bears, but oh well...
26 posted on 06/13/2003 7:42:14 AM PDT by djf
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To: hchutch
Small problem--you (a) need to use enough gun and (b) you gotta hit the sweet spot. Not easy, particularly while you're s**tting your pants.
27 posted on 06/13/2003 8:52:58 AM PDT by Poohbah (I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
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To: Poohbah
Would pepper spray blind the bear long enough to let the occupants get away? Or for that matter giving it a faceful of something nastier like household ammonia.
28 posted on 06/13/2003 8:58:23 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Nick Danger
Have we come so far in 5,000 years only to have lions and tigers and bears wandering into our houses? This is nuts.>>>

It certainly is and the problem here in Jersey is that both the Republicans and Democrats seem to be on the same side. A small handful of animal-rights activists control our govt. on this issue. A couple of days ago, a man was fined because he shot a bear entering his house--since the homeowner couldn't prove that the bear was a threat, it was concluded he was "only" foraging for food.
29 posted on 06/13/2003 9:43:31 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: All
Bear shooter gets $300 summons

Friday, June 13, 2003

State wildlife officials on Thursday sent a message to anyone thinking about shooting black bears that pose a nuisance.

Don't.

The state Division of Fish and Wildlife slapped Patrick Flynn of West Milford with a summons for shooting a bear, which had tried to come in through the kitchen door as his wife cooked dinner on June 6. In the initial commotion, the bear retreated to the yard, and Flynn grabbed his shotgun and fired, badly wounding the animal.

State wildlife officers found the bear in the woods the next day and killed it.

Flynn notified the police about the incident and said he shot the bear as a last resort to defend his wife, his 2-year-old daughter, and himself. But based on an autopsy that found the bear had been shot from behind, the state charged Flynn with injuring a bear, a civil offense. If convicted in Municipal Court, he faces a fine of up to $300.

State law allows people to shoot black bears, a protected species, if they pose an "imminent threat" - usually defined by the state as acting aggressively within 10 feet of a human. An issue in this case is whether the bear posed a threat or just a nuisance.

Although the fine is relatively small, the stakes are high for man and beast. There have been several dangerous encounters this spring - and the state is concerned that people are beginning to take matters into their own hands.

Bradley Campbell, the commissioner of the state Department of Environmental Protection, issued a statement on Thursday to remind residents that bears are a protected species - at least for now.

"Communities need to understand that shooting a bear is unlawful," Campbell said. "While there will be circumstances in which an immediate threat to safety would excuse a killing, that justification is not presented by the facts in this case."

A necropsy of the bear by the Division of Fish and Wildlife showed that the bear was shot in the rear at a range of about 15 yards, suggesting that the animal was retreating from the house, the DEP said.

Flynn would not comment. His wife, however, said the bear was only about 15 feet from the house when her husband fired at it - and that the bear looked as if it was about to make another charge for the door.

"He had turned his head back around and looked like he was headed back toward my husband," said Kristine Flynn. The house is on Kushaqua Trail North in the hills just above Greenwood Lake, a resort area where many of the summer log cabins have been converted to year-round use. Bears come into the Flynns' yard two or three times a day, she said.

She said that shortly before noon on Thursday, she was minding their daughter Samantha when a Fish and Wildlife officer knocked on the door. Besides handing her the summons, the officer set up a barrel bear trap in her driveway.

Exasperated, she took the summons and called her husband at work.

"What we did was a judgment call on our part," she said. "I guess the next time it happens, we're supposed to wait for the bear to break the door down."

That's what had happened in the Highland Lakes section of Vernon on Wednesday. A 200-pound black bear broke through a screen door and began ransacking a family's kitchen looking for food. Lisa Spirko grabbed her two children, ages 2 and 7, and ran for a bedroom, where she barricaded the door and called the police.

Vernon police arrived and helped the family climb out a window. Police and a Division of Fish and Wildlife biologist then shot the bear dead after he climbed out a dining room window.

Spirko said the police did the right thing.

"We were trapped in the bedroom and there was no telling what that bear would do," she said. "People say bears aren't supposed to come into your house, but this one did. I think the police were justified in doing what they did."

Spirko said she doesn't have any guns in her house, but she supported the action that Flynn had taken.

"I totally understand what he did," she said. "He was protecting his family."

The DEP says Spirko handled the her bear encounter the right way.

"The mother did the right thing," said Jack Kaskey, spokesman for the DEP. "She called the police."

The state estimates as many as 3,200 black bears live in New Jersey. It has proposed a one-week hunt in December to thin the population. Opponents of the hunt say there's no need to slaughter bears if people learned to live among them and keep garbage out of reach of scavenging bears.

Although recent events suggest that bears are becoming more aggressive, state records show a drop in the number of dangerous encounters from a year ago.

As of June 3, there had been 48 "Category 1" incidents - encounters in which bears either came within 10 feet of a human, caused property damage, or posed a threat to pets or livestock. Last year at this time, there had been 94 Category 1 incidents.

The state attributes the decline to the harsh winter, which kept bears in their dens longer than usual.
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Didn't it occur to the state officials that if a bear is brazen enough to enter once he would do it again, and if he were very hungry could become vicious.


30 posted on 06/13/2003 9:50:12 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: Coleus
Man who shot bear near house charged by DEP
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/928120/posts
31 posted on 06/13/2003 10:23:19 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: Coleus
he was "only" foraging for food.

This sounds like it's going to be one of those "stop sign in front of the school" stories where the civic officials blow off the screaming parents until -- surprise, surprise -- a kid gets run over and killed. Then they act like it's a big emergency to fix the problem.

It sounds like you're going to have to wait until some kid gets turned into hamburger.

32 posted on 06/13/2003 10:45:41 AM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: Nick Danger
"Why is it the civilian gets arrested for doing the same thing a DFW guy does ?"

BEST QUESTION ON THIS THREAD...bears (pun) repeating~!

33 posted on 06/13/2003 1:03:32 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: Coleus
But if you kill the bears...that would be mean!!!!
34 posted on 06/13/2003 1:07:53 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (When someone tells me 'my way or the highway', I take the highway)
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To: stylin19a
Yet, in NJ, a guy got arrested for shooting a bear as the bear was leaving.

You gotta be kidding me.

35 posted on 06/13/2003 1:09:44 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (When someone tells me 'my way or the highway', I take the highway)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Sure, because in their eyes we are killing them:


But it's ok to kill us, that's what they call choice


36 posted on 06/13/2003 1:20:10 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: PoorMuttly
Bad Muttly. You play nicely with the little bears.
37 posted on 06/13/2003 1:26:58 PM PDT by LisaAnne
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To: Coleus
It's amazing how little respect these people have for bears.

Bears may be 'cute'. Black bears(as in those in Michigan and Jersey) are about about 250-400 pounds, about 5-7 feet tall on hind legs, have sharp teeth and claws, can outrun and outstrength almost all animals in the US, including people. I wonder how many of these cityfolk have ever seen a bear in person outside of the zoo. They aren't Yogi or the Bearenstein Bears.

If I'm cornered by a bear going in my cottage up north(There are no bears in southern Michigan - yet), I'd shoot it. I'd be scared to death to do anything besides shoot it, much like this family was scared. Although up north, the cops will probably just take a report and then ask for bear meat.

38 posted on 06/13/2003 1:32:40 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (When someone tells me 'my way or the highway', I take the highway)
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To: Coleus
It was the brownies, dammit. The lady deserved it! She shouldn't have been baking brownies, a favorite food of black bears. The ACLU should swoop in and defend the black (bear) brothers and prevent another senseless killing of a black (bear). SARCASM officially off.
39 posted on 06/13/2003 2:20:21 PM PDT by manic4organic (An organic conservative)
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To: LisaAnne
But they're bigger than me!

Oh.....O.K.
40 posted on 06/13/2003 2:32:54 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (Will Work for Meat)
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