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The museum sacking that wasn't
Townhall.com ^ | May 27, 2003 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 05/27/2003 4:51:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus

If you only read The New York Times, you might think the only truly important recent event in Iraq was the looting of the Iraqi National Museum. For art lovers, this branded the U.S. occupation with the worst of all possible labels, worse than "imperialist," worse than "illegal" -- "Philistine."

Robert Deutsch, an archeologist at Haifa University and a licensed antiquities dealer, shakes his head at all the coverage of the museum sacking. The Times originally reported that 170,000 pieces had been stolen. "Nonsense," says Deutsch. He points out that there would have to be "miles and miles" of display area for such a massive amount of material to be readily available for the snatching.

Subsequent reporting has cited roughly 30 items stolen from the museum's exhibition area, although hundreds more were taken from well-secured storage areas in an inside job (Saddam Hussein's cousin was the museum's director). But the most valuable pieces appear to have been kept safe, in what is shaping up as the "Great Civilization-Rattling Heist That Wasn't."

"They just had to have something to complain about," Deutsch says of the museum hype from skeptics of the war. "The war was fast. It was clean. They found a small place where they can complain."

Even the actual theft is unlikely to prove particularly damaging. And while robbery is always wrong, the brouhaha should prompt discussion of a point that dealers like Deutsch are willing to make, even if it drives archeologists and academics into a frothing rage: Antiquities sometimes are better off in private hands than in museums.

"I don't see any big or significant damage from this looting," says Deutsch. "It was very small-scale. And the historical value of an antiquity is in its publication. Once it's published, it's part of our knowledge." Thereafter, its value is mostly as an object of art.

Any major, well-known pieces stolen from the Iraqi museum -- perhaps a half-dozen -- will have great difficulty making it out of Iraq. "Everybody knows the important items," says Deutsch. Because of the chill of the Iraq looting, people are afraid even to buy Mesopotamian items that owners secured before 2003.

The more fundamental point about antiquities is that the world is awash in them. Only the truly extraordinary and well-preserved items get displayed in museums.

"There are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pieces which will never see the light of day," says Deutsch. "There are always more finds, and the great majority of the new pieces are not good enough to display."

Deutsch recalls that roughly 40,000 ancient coins were discovered in Jerusalem in the 1960s and 1970s. The vast majority will never be displayed, because no one wants to look at the same coin over and over. (Imagine the billing of a museum show based on them: "Coins. Lots of Coins. Lots and Lots of Coins.") The same principle applies to oil lamps, pottery and statute fragments -- and much else.

Therefore, many items sit in museum storage areas to rot -- sometimes literally. The University of Arizona Museum has 20,000 pieces of pottery that have languished in buildings with improper environmental controls. "About a third of our collection has been damaged, and there are collections elsewhere that have been completely destroyed by the same process," a museum official has told the Arizona Daily Star.

"Items that are in private hands are much more secure than what's in the basement of the museum," says Deutsch.

Erdal Dere, an owner of Fortuna Fine Arts in Manhattan, gives an example. Thousands of ushabtis -- ancient ceramic figurines -- are packed on top of each other in the basements of Egyptian museums. Once they are cataloged, why shouldn't they be sold, to be displayed and enjoyed? "What's the point," asks Dere, "in having thousands of these figurines in boxes and storage facilities?"

That is considered heresy by most archeologists, and by the same sophisticates who gave us the premature reports of the death of the Iraqi National Museum.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baghdad; godsgravesglyphs; iraq; looting; museum; propaganda
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Yet another left-wing canard hurled at our war effort, exposed for the codswallop it is. I only note in passing that this lie was swallowed -- hook, line, and sinker -- by several FReepers, who shall remain unnamed by me but know who they are.
1 posted on 05/27/2003 4:51:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus
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To: Cincinatus
I didn't buy it from the beginning. How big a loss is a Pez Dispenser Collection and some Elvis on Black Velvet paitings to the world anyway?
2 posted on 05/27/2003 5:08:42 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (If you're looking for a friend, get a dog.)
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To: Cincinatus
Yet another left-wing canard hurled at our war effort, exposed for the codswallop it is. I only note in passing that this lie was swallowed -- hook, line, and sinker -- by several FReepers, who shall remain unnamed by me but know who they are.

Oh well, cheer up. You can name the codswallop-ingesting Freakers on another site.

3 posted on 05/27/2003 5:09:17 AM PDT by xJones (Aiding the superior people is so tiresome)
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To: Cincinatus
Another example of Jayson Blair type reporting?????
4 posted on 05/27/2003 5:09:32 AM PDT by duckman
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To: Cincinatus
I remember seeing Christianne Ammanpour rant & rave about the looting. But coming from CNN, the Disseminator of lies, Hider of facts, what can else can we expect?
5 posted on 05/27/2003 5:22:20 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher (Is Reality Optional?)
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To: duckman
Tragedy of the Commons.
6 posted on 05/27/2003 5:22:39 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: xJones
You can name the codswallop-ingesting Freakers on another site.

See them for yourself: U.S.: We didn't anticipate looting

7 posted on 05/27/2003 5:38:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Cincinatus; Grampa Dave; FairOpinion; Howlin; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Best name for it I've seen yet--the Great Museum Heist that Wasn't! Yes, a number of Freepers bought it, and you just really have to ask why. In one breath many of these people will swear up and down that the media can't be trusted, and in the next, they swallow every word the media says or writes, "hook line and sinker" as you say, Cincinatus.
8 posted on 05/27/2003 5:43:23 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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What a wonderful and refreshing point of view this guy has! I would love to get some of this stuff that is stored in museums.
9 posted on 05/27/2003 5:49:50 AM PDT by abner
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To: Cincinatus; Theresa; Physicist; Fifth Business; Torie; wideminded
"Items that are in private hands are much more secure than what's in the basement of the museum," says Deutsch.

I know many Archeologists who would disagree vehemently.

licensed antiquities dealer

Go figure.

From post #1: I only note in passing that this lie was swallowed -- hook, line, and sinker -- by several FReepers, who shall remain unnamed by me but know who they are.

I see you are trying your best to make other freepers look and/or feel bad. I wonder why you would do this?

10 posted on 05/27/2003 5:59:42 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: abner
What a wonderful and refreshing point of view this guy has! I would love to get some of this stuff that is stored in museums.

You noticed that too!

11 posted on 05/27/2003 6:01:06 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: MizSterious
Yes, a number of Freepers bought it, and you just really have to ask why.

I personally know someone who was working on his PhD in this very area. He was appalled at the looting.

12 posted on 05/27/2003 6:07:05 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Cincinatus
Looking quickly through your link I only found one FReeper who didn't accept the story--AnAmericanMother. Everyone else was saying "who cares about some dusty old trash", except one or two who thought it was a loss to the world.

I saw no reason to doubt the facts of the reports--they were being reported by everyone. I don't see much reason for doubting them now on the basis of this one opinion piece.

13 posted on 05/27/2003 6:08:37 AM PDT by Seti 1
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Do you mean at the looting that wasn't? Even when the facts are known, why do people continue to repeat the lies?
14 posted on 05/27/2003 6:09:25 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: Seti 1
Why would you believe the reports, when media sources like WSJ and other news sources have flat out said it was incredibly overblown? See Missing (Baghdad) museum artefacts found safe in vaults, and The Non-Pillage of Baghdad: It turns out the "looted museum" story was way overblown. for just two such articles. A search on "museum" or "looting" would likely turn up more.
15 posted on 05/27/2003 6:15:54 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Looting is horrific. Something just as bad is that most things in museums languish in storage forever where no one can enjoy them.
16 posted on 05/27/2003 6:16:00 AM PDT by abner
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To: Molly Pitcher
I remember seeing

Did you just admit to watching Commie News Network?

17 posted on 05/27/2003 6:17:21 AM PDT by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the 2nd group.))
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To: MizSterious
these people will swear up and down that the media can't be trusted,

Why is it you find unimpeachable a newspaper piece based on the opinions of an antiquities dealer and a gallery owner?

18 posted on 05/27/2003 6:19:57 AM PDT by Seti 1
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To: MizSterious
None of this is to deny the terrible damage that did occur, the priceless bits of Iraq's heritage that have been stolen or destroyed -- or the many thousands more works that might be confirmed missing when curators finally go through the storehouses.

The quote is from your WSJ link. Did you read it?

19 posted on 05/27/2003 6:24:19 AM PDT by Seti 1
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Check my links above. I believe him because there is lots of evidence to back him up. (Unlike the NYT and CNN reports.) I've read a number of articles that contradicted those early reports of 170,000 artifacts being stolen. But it appears that some people see only what they want to see: if they happen to believe the US and the military are the "bad guys," should not have been there anyway, are incapable of planning, etc.--they'll ignore all reports to the contrary, even those backed up with facts.
20 posted on 05/27/2003 6:24:24 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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