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American Idol Finals - Live Thread!!
Fox ^ | May 21, 2003 | all of us

Posted on 05/21/2003 4:24:46 PM PDT by pbear8



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To: L.N. Smithee
Well, gee, L.N., you think it might be okay if some folks don't agree with you? I like Ruben's voice on a very narrow selection of music, but once he steps outside that channel, he's certainly not smooth and effortless IMO.

Nor do you KNOW their reasons for latching onto Ruben as the star in the early days, anymore than the other folks who are speculating as to various motivations.

Finally, in case you haven't figured it out yet, what upsets people is not the prospect of Clay starving to death. It's about the people being deceived. If it's no big deal to you, wonderful. It really rankles the Fairness Meters on a lot of folks, though, including me.

MM

1,121 posted on 05/22/2003 4:29:33 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: L.N. Smithee
My internet provider got their info from Drudge as it turns out. Let's not get petty in here. Save it for Campaign 2004. I can sing too... better than ROOOOOOBEN. LOL
1,122 posted on 05/22/2003 4:31:57 PM PDT by floriduh voter (BUY CLAY AIKEN'S CD AT AMAZON.COM)
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To: MississippiMan
thanks for putting it so well. the fairness meter is the perfect analogy
1,123 posted on 05/22/2003 4:32:54 PM PDT by OldFriend (without the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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To: pbear8
When did this thread get so freaking long? There's another thread about AI fraud too. Someone flamed me here so here I am. I thought about it all day and decided that I SING BETTER THAN ROOOOOOBEN. I am too old to enter the contest though. Creaking bones, etc.
1,124 posted on 05/22/2003 4:34:01 PM PDT by floriduh voter (BUY CLAY AIKEN'S CD AT AMAZON.COM)
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To: MississippiMan
You are right, but you already knew that.
1,125 posted on 05/22/2003 4:38:35 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil)
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To: floriduh voter
My internet provider got their info from Drudge as it turns out. Let's not get petty in here.

The entire Drudge story was petty!

It was the whining of "a top executive of a rival network" -- a network that can still smell its own burning rump roast after the monstrous Nielsen overnight numbers the AI finale posted last night.

Gee, ya think another network's president (speaking on the condition of anonymity) might want to sully the show's image?

1,126 posted on 05/22/2003 4:42:35 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: JustPiper
You made my point. Votes for CLAY IN FLORIDA were hard to get through. That would be for contestant #02.

Apparently, votes for RUBEN IN FLORIDA got through under #01.

Did anybody else besides me in America get the interim female voice that told me to stop dialing? That is very suspect if just Clay voters got that interim message. Did any Ruben voters get told to stop dialing?

1,127 posted on 05/22/2003 4:45:54 PM PDT by floriduh voter (BUY CLAY AIKEN'S CD AT AMAZON.COM)
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To: pbear8
Clay.

What an unfortunate name for a girl.

1,128 posted on 05/22/2003 4:46:56 PM PDT by Extremist
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To: L.N. Smithee
An interim female voice upon dialing told me to stop dialing. Tell me you don't think that raised my suspicions. DThen it took an additional 2 hours to vote. If one guy is whining on Drudge, that's one thing but many of us are feeling like the contest was fixed. I am just a regular person and Fox Television played me. I don't like that.
1,129 posted on 05/22/2003 4:49:13 PM PDT by floriduh voter (BUY CLAY AIKEN'S CD AT AMAZON.COM)
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To: JustPiper
I don't know your gender but the chicks who like Clay like him a lot - and it's not just a Broadway thing. If you're not a girl, then I can't go into detail about why I like Clay but trust me that I think he's not a Manilow who sounded like a train or Connick who I think chooses to act instead of perform. I see Clay being very successful as a singer or actor. I can see him in a sitcom for sure. If you're not a girl, then our attraction to Clay will remain a mystery to you.
1,130 posted on 05/22/2003 4:57:10 PM PDT by floriduh voter (BUY CLAY AIKEN'S CD AT AMAZON.COM)
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To: JustPiper
They showed Randy Jackson in his Jackson 5 costume on one of the AI shows. He played the guitar. Why would they drag out footage of the Jackson 5 after showing Simon's eariler years if it wasn't the same guy?
1,131 posted on 05/22/2003 5:00:10 PM PDT by floriduh voter (BUY CLAY AIKEN'S CD AT AMAZON.COM)
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To: Celantro
I am playing devil's advocate here, I don't think they claim for this to be a scientific endeavor. After all, as i understand it you can vote as many times as you like if you can get in.
1,132 posted on 05/22/2003 5:06:29 PM PDT by mel
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To: merry10
A difference of 1300 Votes?

130,000, not 1300.

Clay's CD at the top of the charts well before the finals?

Clay's CD isn't on top of the charts. It isn't even out yet. It's just on top at Amazon because of pre-release sales. (It's just a CD single, too, not a whole CD. And Ruben's is right behind Clay at #2.) And it doesn't take much to get to the top of Amazon's charts, because they just don't control a particularly meaningful percentage of the record market. If you're only selling 500 copies a day of the #1 album on Billboard's charts (the 500 number is purely hypothetical; I don't know Amazon's exact sales figures), then it only takes a few hundred rabid teenage girls - out of 40 million people who watched last night - placing orders for their new heartthrob's single to make it "number one."

1,133 posted on 05/22/2003 5:06:36 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: MississippiMan
Nor do you KNOW their reasons for latching onto Ruben as the star in the early days, anymore than the other folks who are speculating as to various motivations.

No, I am not a mind reader and I don't "KNOW." But I don't understand why the more unlikely suggestions resonate so much with people when there are more simple explanations. It annoys me that when we can't "KNOW," some choose to grant the sinister equal weight with the reasonable.

Finally, in case you haven't figured it out yet, what upsets people is not the prospect of Clay starving to death. It's about the people being deceived. If it's no big deal to you, wonderful. It really rankles the Fairness Meters on a lot of folks, though, including me.

What deception? No one has yet given any reason to support the idea that there was some fixing involved in the voting besides individuals' anecdotes of not getting through, and rival network executives' self-serving insinuations.

Everyone who was paying attention knew that people could call as often as they could. Week after week, the vote was up to the viewers at home, and if the masses' opinion was so easily swayed by the judges' opinions, Joshua Gracin wouldn't have survived to the final four after the judges unanimously criticized him (Trenyce was ousted that week, and Ruben was knocked to the bottom pair). Why did Josh survive after horrendous renditions of "Bad Blood" and "Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye" after which Simon sneered, "You can't win this competition. You know that, don't you?" Think maybe it was because Josh's legion of fans wanted to prove Cowell wrong?

Regarding Tuesday night's vote, IMHO, it's more likely that Ruben's fans took to heart Ryan Seacrest's exhortation that every vote counted, and Clay's fans justifiably thought that awe-inspiring final note wrapped things up for him -- as Simon suggested.

This is all very reminiscent of Pauline Kael's lament after the election of Richard Nixon: 'How could he have won? Nobody I know voted for him.'

1,134 posted on 05/22/2003 5:28:55 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: floriduh voter
They showed Randy Jackson in his Jackson 5 costume on one of the AI shows. He played the guitar. Why would they drag out footage of the Jackson 5 after showing Simon's eariler years if it wasn't the same guy?

If they did this at all, it was just an inside joke based on the fact that so many people assume he's the same guy, which he is not:

Q: Who is Randy Jackson on ''American Idol''? Is he the same Randy Jackson of The Jackson 5?
T.L.S., Dallas

A: ''American Idol'' judge Randy Jackson has been in the music business for 20 years, but he's not a member of the Michael Jackson family.

Jackson is a Grammy Award-winning producer and a former vice president of A&R at both Columbia and MCA Records. He has recorded, toured and performed with the Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Madonna, Elton John, Destiny's Child and other music stars.

Michael Jackson's younger brother Steven ''Randy'' Jackson joined The Jacksons in 1976, replacing brother Jermaine.

Go plug "randy jackson" into Google. There's a million of them out there.
1,135 posted on 05/22/2003 5:37:59 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: jern
"Actually I figured all the white rednecks from around the world would have been dialing in mass to make sure the black guy wouldn't win. Good for Reuben."

New flash for ya, Sparky. I'm very white.......and I'm not a redneck. I happen to be a college educated, white collar marketing professional in a Fortune 5 corporation. The kid Clay (who happens to be from Raleigh, where I reside) is a great kid with a fantastic voice (and as one who is a vocalist and musician of over 30 years, I know what I'm talking about) and easily has a far superior singing voice compared to Reuben (sp?). It was no contest. If I had 'voted' for Clay, would that make me a "redneck"? What an incredibly stupid thing to say.

1,136 posted on 05/22/2003 5:40:31 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: floriduh voter
They showed Randy Jackson in his Jackson 5 costume on one of the AI shows. He played the guitar. Why would they drag out footage of the Jackson 5 after showing Simon's eariler years if it wasn't the same guy?

It's not the same Randy. Randy Jackson is a highly-respected studio musician (he plays bass guitar), and briefly joined Journey just before Steve Perry left the group.

The other Randy Jackson should be so talented. In fact, the Randy from the Jacksons is probably happy to be mistaken for the AI judge rather than having to constantly answer the question, "What the heck's up with your freak brother?"

It's like Richard Hatch. Before Survivor, THE Richard Hatch was the TV actor who replaced Michael Douglas in The Streets of San Francisco cop show. Now, THE Richard Hatch is the fat, gay, nude guy who won the first Survivor.

1,137 posted on 05/22/2003 5:40:41 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Celantro
Well get a look at Drudge's page. It lookks like the entire competition is being called into question. Apparently the President of a rival network is calling it a modern day $64,000. question, which is exactly what I suggested earlier on in this thread.

On election night 2000, the head of a rival campaign was calling it a modern day $64,000 question ... well, he was calling it something far, far worse, actually. We all knew instantly that said person had ZERO credibility based solely on who he was working for. The same ought to apply here. A bunch of whining by a guy with a direct pecuniary interest in seeing American Idol DESTROYED cannot be taken seriously unless he puts up some serious incriminating evidence. The "unnamed source" put up no evidence whatsoever.

1,138 posted on 05/22/2003 5:42:35 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
No. It was phone line C over phone line R. How could it been anything but close with the phone lines busy during the entire voting period? Why was the voting so close? Because Reubens phone line connected up to the next caller just a tad faster. That was it!

All the calls went to the same computer. The only difference was the computer noted whether the call was to line one or line two. If anything went wrong with the computer or overloaded the computer, both Clay and Ruben were affected at the same time, for the same length of time. Ruben won fair and square.

1,139 posted on 05/22/2003 5:46:20 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: L.N. Smithee
L.N., if you don't already understand the deception involved, it's highly unlikely that you'll agree after any amount of explanation, but the deception is in presenting the show as a straight-up competition, while they had a preferred winner picked from the early days. They picked one contestant and set him above the rest. They constantly treated him as the headliner, the star, the main attraction. That does rub off and it does sway public opinion, and it was far more than a case of just what the judges said or didn't say during those sixty seconds of post-performance commentary each week. There was a huge publicity push for Ruben and Ruben alone, several TV talk shows, news spots, etc.

Even last night, when the voting was already done, they didn't accurately present the back-home events. If so, they would've used the same camera angles of Ruben's gathering as they did of Clay's. They didn't. They pulled the same trick that many people here on FR gripe (justifiably) about when the other networks cover a NOW "rally" with tight camera shots that don't reveal that there were twenty or thirty people there, instead of hundreds or thousands. That same spirit of favoritism has been there since the beginning, and if you don't see the unfairness and deception in doing that, then you just don't. Plenty of people do, and it does not make you informed and those who disagree uninformed.

There's also a very real issue on the phone lines when a Ruben voter (his mother) was able to place 205 votes Tuesday night, while Clay voters from all over the nation report dialing for three hours and getting through one time, or a scant few times, or NO times.

Bottom line: When there's smoke, more often than not there's fire at the core. There's a lot of smoke swirling around AI right about now.

MM

1,140 posted on 05/22/2003 5:53:22 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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