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Browsing while the busts started - Two busts on my block tonight
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Posted on 05/15/2003 10:07:28 PM PDT by Havoc

The sound of a grenade is not something one is exposed to on a daily basis. I heard my first one earlier this evening as I browsed the web. I opened my front door to investigate and found my block covered in red and blue lights and well armed policemen.

Mostly hovering a few doors down, a major drug bust was happening. I put on a pot of coffee and went outside to peruse the goings on. Swat had been called in and enough squad cars to effectively shut down the entire block. The words "Search warrant for 1010" rang out over the police P.A. for about 5 minutes while the home was surrounded and subsequently invaded.

I stood on my lawn for a while just watching. In the night air, I found it necessary to go after my jacket, smokes and some of the fresh brewed coffee that I was sure was ready by this time. Neighbors gathered in my yard and we chatted with the officer standing perimeter nearby. You've never seen people so happy to see police doing their job, nor officers happy enough to be doing it.

This neighborhood and my street in particular has had a great deal of traffic for a 'quiet' part of town. It appears quiet to the unknowing. But when the traffic begins, people stay inside. A neighbor's boy had been shot in his own yard then dragged in his house and robbed some time ago. "They come to your door, knock, put a gun in your face and rob you" one neighbor stated. "Everyone's afraid. It's good they're doing this.."

The effects were immediately noteable. Others on the block stood complaining and perhaps wondering when the explosion at their door would come - followed by the serving of a warrant. One can hope it will be sooner than they can prepare for. The police were professional and handled the situation well. A force to be proud of.

It was a drug bust. I was a spectator rather than a journalist; so, I didn't get the numbers, merely the reaction and the general view. And I made a friend. I talked for a while with an officer on the street and found we knew some of the same people. We graduated two years apart and from the same school. This is a guy not even working narcotics - just there to lend a hand. And did a good job IMO.

As swat prepared to leave, vehicles that regularly visited our street only for a few minutes at a time rolled up on the scene, did abrupt u-turns and sped off. Time to go finish dinner.

As I sat at my computer once again trying to enjoy my steak, "Booom". Another concussion grenaide. Hooaah. I put my contacts back in, got my gear back on and found my new friend standing perimeter again. A few more houses down, the floor was littered with bodies in cuffs face down on the floor while swat secured the location and detectives moved in. Nice time to chat and get to know the officer better. Great guy - hope I see him again when I can buy him a cup of joe. He turned down fresh brewed at about 10:30 - "I gotta sleep sometime tonight," he grinned. understandable.

The scene has cleared now and no shots fired - no injuries other than prides of those who have dealt drugs and terror to the neighborhood seemingly without challenge up to now. They aren't the only ones and I doubt they'll be the last. I know little of the goings on other than instincts and what I've heard from the neighbors. Tonight I learned more about my surroundings than I thought I could in 4 hours. And I reinforced my understanding of just how screwed in the head libertarians are on this subject. They see a "harmless drug" and discount the damage done by those who push them. But then, one defends what one generally likes despite the protestations that they don't use.

Because of the actions of a lot of cops just doing their duty, a lot of good people are breathing and sleeping easier tonight. Hats off to KPD! The war on drugs came to my street tonight. And I'm glad it was here - though I'm sure some will attempt to disposess me of the notion that these druggies are bad. The real bad guys are the boys in blue, they'd proffer. Patent nonsense, the real bad guys are the druggies and those who enable them and rally to their cause. I wonder how many libertarians and democrats went to jail tonight.. I too will rest easy.


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: addiction; drugbust; libertarians; warondrugs; wodlist
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To: Havoc
Kokomo, IN

Sheesh! I was going to guess Gary!

21 posted on 05/15/2003 10:32:17 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: breakem
All the problems you have on your street exist under the current laws. Think about it.

Bull. The problems we have are due to a group of people wanting money and power that is satisfied by pushing drugs and carrying weapons to enforce their dealings. The laws are not the problem. The lawbreakers are the problem. If you want to shovel that crap, you'd best shovel it elsewhere. I've no place on my doorstep for it. If you were here, I'd introduce you to the elderly couple next door and to the rest of the block. You'd be doing good to get away without getting the tar beat out of you peddling that crap to people who know better!

22 posted on 05/15/2003 10:34:22 PM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: Havoc
So,

Do you think it will be impossible for anyone in your town to buy the drug in question in these busts?

Do you think there's a town, anywhere in America, where there's any illegal drug that is unavaliable as a result of the WOD?
23 posted on 05/15/2003 10:39:41 PM PDT by John H K
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To: Havoc
sounds like a average night in inkster mi
24 posted on 05/15/2003 10:41:53 PM PDT by MetalHeadConservative35 (Ok..i may be a traitor but...GO MINNESOTA WILD STOMP THOSE DUCKS!!!!)
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To: CurlyDave
See my 22. The problem isn't caused by laws, it's caused by law breakers. Guys like you blaming the good guys for making a bad thing illegal don't work with me. Deal with the real issues. Making up your own don't work either.
25 posted on 05/15/2003 10:42:00 PM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: Havoc
To gruse: "You're hopping on the bandwagon to defend the druggies and don't even know what was being dealt. I sure didn't mention it."

So why don't you tell us?

26 posted on 05/15/2003 10:46:34 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: Havoc
The crap I'm shoveling is called basic economics. Try some logic and use the brains God may have given you. I guess your neighbors don't seem to understand that beating the sh&t out of someone is illegal, sober or not.
27 posted on 05/15/2003 10:47:40 PM PDT by breakem
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To: John H K
The idea (from the homeowners perspective) is to get them to relocate someplace else.

Maybe next to you.

28 posted on 05/15/2003 10:47:41 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: Squantos
It would really be a bad night for the robbers. My Rott owning friend calls her Sampson a silent and deadly force. I would think Fluffy would be the mean guy in this scenario :-) not to mention their owner and his "toys" waiting for the scraps.......
29 posted on 05/15/2003 10:48:28 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: Havoc
LOL!

You have pulled all the pot heads out of the woodwork.

Have fun!

30 posted on 05/15/2003 10:49:35 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: John H K
Do you think it's impossible for any terrorist to strike America in the face of the War on terrorism? I'm sure you'd now argue that the war on terrorism is pointless.
perhaps we should just legalize terrorism and hope it goes away too. Or perhaps we deal incrementally to keep cutting the supply off at the knees until it's near impossible for the stuff to get in.

You act as if drug use should stop altogether because busts are made. This is the really real world where people commit murder, get busted, and tomorrow some other idiot does the same. I'm sure that is pointless to you too. Perhaps we should just have anarchy and turn you over to the mob that wants your food and possessions. It's the logical progression of your falacy laden arguments. This is where you get a timeout session to go ponder your errors; but, I've little hope you even care beyond the end of your propaganda.
31 posted on 05/15/2003 10:49:44 PM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: Havoc
That happened in Kokomo?! I'm from Muncie, and I have several friends that live in Kokomo.
32 posted on 05/15/2003 10:51:27 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: wirestripper
Could you please indicate who the potheads are on the thread. I'm unfamiliar with many of the posters. Thanx!
33 posted on 05/15/2003 10:53:03 PM PDT by breakem
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To: Havoc
Nice reporting. I hope you'll post a follow-up from the local papers here in the morning so we know how many arrests and the charges made. Flag us "all", please.
34 posted on 05/15/2003 10:56:18 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Havoc
Gotta go, but I'll leave you with some final thoughts on your drug crusade. One of the definitions of mental illness is to keep doing what your doing and expecting a different result. You and those who think like you have created an underground massive business that cause crime to fester in our neighborhoods and allows violent punks to become powerful and wealthy. Keep up the good work!
35 posted on 05/15/2003 11:00:44 PM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem
Could you please indicate who the potheads are on the thread

ROFL! I could not care less, unless they are running a retail operation near me. The SOB's come and go all nite long and they blow their damn horns all thru the night.

They toss beer cans and wine bottles in my yard and keep my dogs barking until they get hoarse.

I would like to take a few out myself, but I don't need the hassle.

That is what the cops are for. If it was up to me I would bust them for illegal business operations in a residential area. Who gives a crap what they smoke.

36 posted on 05/15/2003 11:01:20 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: CARepubGal
Lot of folks have never tried to actually "shoot" a dog running at speed at them. Trust me it ain't easy as some think. A well trained dog, dogs ect rushing you regardless if your armed or not is a serious threat to overcome. Some blitzed brain damaged knock and rob wannabe ain't gonna do as well against a good well trained pup. All mine were schooled by an old USAF SP Puppy pusher (AFCS 811X0A)......:o)

Stay Safe !

37 posted on 05/15/2003 11:02:15 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: breakem
The crap I'm shoveling is called basic economics. Try some logic and use the brains God may have given you. I guess your neighbors don't seem to understand that beating the sh&t out of someone is illegal, sober or not.

The crap you're shoveling is the nonsense that crime occurs because of laws. BS. Terrorism doesn't occur because there are laws against it. Nor will it go away if we legalize it. It isn't a matter of economics - it's a matter of mindset. And drugs do not induce a mindset condusive of good behavior. Legalizing them will not change that. Nor will it change the damage done to families and communities by drugs. You're argument is a fallacy filled copout designed to play falsely against reason and make the idea sound good.

As for my neighbors beating the crap out of you - perhaps if you'd lost family and friends, had a loved one shot or been mugged in your own home, you'd understand the passion. Your passion appears to be drugs. I've no illusions that you can get past your love of drugs to see the sense of them being illegal. All most of you care about is yourselves and your selfish wishes to be doped up regardless of the effects on everyone around you. To hell with everyone else - right. Your rights end where mine begin. That's why we have laws. That's why you're supposed to abide by them. Without them I could rape your wife and get by with it - (not that I would, some of us just have some morals, don't ya know). But then there would be fewer rapes and less damage done by rape if rape was legal, right....

Tell you what, don't deal with the parallel cases. I know you can't see them and won't address them anyway. It screws up your argument to focus so much on all it's weeknesses. And besides, it ruins your rosey fantasy world of how things would be perfect if everyone behaved the way you'd like. Deal with it. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

38 posted on 05/15/2003 11:02:24 PM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: wirestripper
LOL. The pot heads don't care about the effects on people.
All they care about is their habit and the fantasy world it would be if they could toke without going to jail when caught. Druggies aren't known for either deep thought or sound judgement - much less for making any sense.
39 posted on 05/15/2003 11:05:32 PM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: The Grammarian
Yesiree. I don't take the tribune; but, you can bet I'll be gettin one in the morning.
40 posted on 05/15/2003 11:06:36 PM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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