Robert E. Lee Boy Scout Council, Richmond, VA, to be Renamed. More PC for the Boy Scouts...

WRVA Radio ^ | 5/13/03 | VMI70

[samuel_adams_us]

Walt,
you have all the documentation to back up your words, but the problems lies in the fact that you don't have the opposing view points nor all the facts, just those that support you. Booth no more killed Lincoln because of his stance on voting for blacks than Oswald killed Kennedy for his views. I guess you think Ceasar committed suicide also right?

[VRWCmember]

If the CSA would have won, don't you think they would have tried to take over the North?

No, they weren't interested in controlling the north, or forcing their culture on the north; they only wanted the sovereignty to govern themselves as free states. They weren't pro-slavery per se, they were pro-choice. Their position could be paraphrased "If you don't like slavery, don't own any slaves; just don't try to force your anti-slavery views on everyone else." Obviously, that's a ridiculous over-simplification, just as those who claim the civil war was fought over slavery choose to ignore the more central issue of states' rights/sovereignty that led to the secession of the CSA.

[samuel_adams_us]

GW and the rest were good enough traitors that you have the right to spout your rhetoric here. If it were otherwise the king would have had your head on a pike by now.

[John O]

The problem for the "heritage" defenders is that in 1860, there had been no such abuse. The rebels tried to break up the government -they- had controlled for decades simply because a free election, held in accordance with the rules agreed to by all, had not gone the way they wanted.

As was their right. The government derives it's authority from the consent of the people it governs. When those people no longer consent they should be allowed to leave. The vast majority of the south no longer consented. Why was the north so keen to force them to remain at gunpoint? The north broke the union. (and I was born and raised in Wisconsin)

[Redleg Duke]

"What is amazing and unique about the American experience of insurrection and rebellion is that the losers could get such favorable treatment for such inexcusable actions."

I suppose you would rail against the statement, "With malice towards none and charity for all..."

Lee and the rest of the Confederates were graciously welcomed back into the fold by the inspiration of the leader of the United States of America, President Abraham Lincoln. He understood something profound, that reconsiliation depended upon forgiveness...something you obviously cannot stomach. That is why, until the Black Race Baiters of the NAALCP started stirring things up a few years ago with meaningless rants against the Confederate Flag, the American Civil War had been unique in that on average, the North and South looked upon it with reverence as a shared heritage.

Now, thanks to folks like you, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the rest of the Black Race Baiters and their White Apologists, the healed wounds are not only being reopened after more than 140 years, but your vile urine is being spewed into it to cause a fatal infection in the body of our Blessed Nation.

I am a proud Yankee who has profound respect for the South as well as the North.

[John O]

No record of Lee's oath as colonel exists, but he definitely pee'd all over this one:

"I, Robert E. Lee, appointed a Lieutenant Colonel of the Second Regt. of Cavalry in the Army of the United States, do solemnly swear, or affirm, that I will bear true allegiance to the United States of America, and that I will serve them honestly and faithfully against all their enemies or opposers whatsoever; and observe and obey the orders of the President of the United States, and the orders of the Officers appointed over me, according to the Rules and Articles for the government of the Armies of the United States."

Note the bolded area. Which state do you follow when some of the states you've swore loyalty to break with the others. The oath as written recognizes a confederation of independent states, not a single nation. The US Army was jointly supported by the sovereign states.

RFL did exactly what he should have done, kept his oath to HIS state since it split from the others. At the time it split he ceased being a citizen of those United States because Virginia was no longer one of those states.

[John O]

No record of Lee's oath as colonel exists, but he definitely pee'd all over this one:

"I, Robert E. Lee, appointed a Lieutenant Colonel of the Second Regt. of Cavalry in the Army of the United States, do solemnly swear, or affirm, that I will bear true allegiance to the United States of America, and that I will serve them honestly and faithfully against all their enemies or opposers whatsoever; and observe and obey the orders of the President of the United States, and the orders of the Officers appointed over me, according to the Rules and Articles for the government of the Armies of the United States."

Note the bolded area. Which state do you follow when some of the states you've swore loyalty to break with the others. The oath as written recognizes a confederation of independent states, not a single nation. The US Army was jointly supported by the sovereign states.

RFL did exactly what he should have done, kept his oath to HIS state since it split from the others. At the time it split he ceased being a citizen of those United States because Virginia was no longer one of those states.

[CyberSpartacus]

Lee wrote in an 1865 letter that the best relation of white and black was that of master and slave. He really gets a much better press than he deserves.

The Demonrats have taken that advice to heart.

[Moose4]

Sad indeed. Richmond has turned into a sad shadow of its former self. The liberal PC bastards that have taken the place over have turned it into a crime-ridden hellhole that's about as Southern as Indianapolis. Anybody remember the banner of Lee hung on the floodwall in Shockoe Bottom several years ago? Pulled down, defaced, and burned with the full and vocal support of a black Richmond city councilman.

The liberal PC crowd in Richmond is running from that city's rich history and instead plowing hellbent toward turning it into just another nanny-state big Northern city.

I lived there for four years (1993-1997) and it makes me sad to see what the town's become.

}:-)4

[VMI70]

Very well said

Bump

[wardaddy]

He really gets a much better press than he deserves

Sort of like you huh?

[Trident/Delta]

......you probably won't hear from me.......

Go ahead, MAKE my day....

Semper Fi

[yonif]

I recall reading somewhere that after Lincoln's Emancipation Prolamation, there were still slaves in the North. Is this true?

[m18436572]

Excellent question (really kinda answers itself), & how did this topic get twisted into waltsworld?

[yonif]

I meant to say "free men are not equal, equal men are not free"

[VMI70]

It always does...too bad

[HELLRAISER II]

I'm not so sure that they would have. The CSA's agenda did not have anything to do with taking over the USA, just it's own lands and it's own finances.

[CyberSpartacus]

You are obviously an historical illiterate or a bigot. The reason that Davis, Lee and others were not tried for treason is because the law was on their side. States did and still do have the right to secede. The vindictive and inhumane treatment of southerners after the war is well documented. If northerners could have done it they would have. By the way I have never lived in the south, I was born on Lincoln's birthday, and I have reached these conclusions by studying history, the civil war being of particular interest. This has led me to conclude that Slavery is wrong but the South was right. Maybe if you pulled your head out and looked at some things like the activities of the northern financiers of the multiple serial murderer John Brown. You might come to the conclusion that Robert E. Lee may not have been such a bad fellow after all. Especially since he didn't own slaves, but that U.S. Grant did.

[Huck]

A government derives its authority from the consent of the people it governs.

And our government obtained that authority, as authorized by its Congress, and ratified by the people of the several states. Once the Constitution was ratified, it had supreme authority.

If those people want to leave that government (and they comprise a large enough and unanimous area to do it) then they should be allowed to.

It's always fun to make up rules as you go, but that isn't what was agreed to. Some folks say each individual ought to be able to "secede". What makes a group "large enough." What authority does that give them? Sorry, but the truth is our government obtained its authority, and the people and states were bound to it.

[Dante3]

The Council Directors obviously have an agenda. Robert E. Lee is honored even at the Arlington Cemetary where last time I was there long lines of people waited for the tour.

Just as pedophiles have occasionally infiltrated the Boy Scouts, so have those with a special agenda. If they do change the name, I would withdraw my son. I don't want him to be subjected to the PC or whatever other mind games some of these Directors have on their list.