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Homophobia behind legal inequalities
The Sydney Morning Herald ^ | May 10 2003 | Adele Horin

Posted on 05/09/2003 1:48:11 PM PDT by presidio9

A friend's daughter has come out as a lesbian and has embarked on an active sex life. She is barely 16, and seems to be enjoying herself immensely. One parent is bemused, the other upset. But they should be thankful.

Fortunately for the girl and her partner, NSW takes a Queen Victoria-like attitude to lesbian sex. For girls, age of consent laws in NSW do not discriminate between heterosexual and homosexual sex. If you are a 16-year-old girl, you are legally free to indulge in either (or both) forms of sex.

But the story is different for young men. If you are 16-year-old boy, you are legally allowed to have sex with females but not males. For that pleasure, you are supposed to wait till you are 18.

There is absolutely no sound basis for this different treatment of boys and girls. It is fear and hatred of male homosexuality that is behind NSW's discriminatory laws. And it is especially men's fear and hatred of male homosexuality that is an issue in the current debate. As the male-dominated NSW Parliament considers whether to equalise age of consent laws, it is salutary to recall that almost 40 per cent of Australian men think sex between two men is always wrong, according to new findings from the Australian National Sex Survey. (About 27 per cent of women agreed.)

Dress it up as they will, homophobia is the real reason for the continued discrimination against young gay men. If the MPs were concerned about teenage sex per se, they would lift the age of consent for boys and girls to 18. This would turn about half the state's 16-year-olds into criminals, given the sex survey's findings on sexual initiation. But at least that would be consistent.

If the MPs were concerned about teenage homosexuality, they would treat young lesbians with the same solicitude as young gay men, and raise the age of consent for lesbian sex. In the process they would turn my friend's daughter into a criminal, but at least that would be consistent.

There is no escaping the conclusion that male homosexuality is the problem. No matter that the Gay Mardi Gras is one of Australia's most-loved festivals, and that Sydney is Australia's gay capital; among many men the response to male homosexuality is hostile, visceral and irrational.

Is it too much to expect MPs to show leadership, to promote equality before the law, and to respect the facts?

Laws or not, young men are having sex with each other. Among men with homosexual experience, 45 per cent had their first experience before the age of 18, the national sex survey shows. This does not mean they had anal intercourse, and other studies show this to be highly unlikely. But in any case they broke the law.

Changing a law that is already so widely flouted is unlikely to increase the numbers of men who have homosexual sex. But it will make a positive difference to the young men who do.

For a start, health and education workers will be able to counsel young gay men without fear of prosecution for aiding and abetting a crime. And young gay men will see one pillar of discrimination fall, and derive some comfort in a homophobic world.

As the WA Health Department reported in a youth suicide manual: "While there is great pressure to have heterosexual relationships in adolescence, many young people experience homosexual feelings. This can cause turmoil for young people who may try to force themselves to have heterosexual relationships and become confused about why this doesn't feel 'right' to them."

Many young people realise their sexual orientation by age 13, and a large 1996 study by Rosario et al found that by 14.6 years, young people had become certain of their identity as gay/lesbian or bisexual.

Young people are unlikely to be converted to homosexuality if they are not already attracted to their own sex. A change in the law will not turn heterosexuals into homosexuals. And if some young people do "fool around" or experiment with their own sex, so what. It is only horror of homosexuality that leads people to think the experience would be terrible. It is forced sex that is a terrible experience. And it is young girls, not boys, according to the national sex survey, who are at greatest danger of assault, rape and unwanted sex.

Most parents, I suspect, would prefer their child not to embark on any sexual relationship until they had finished high school. High school sex is disturbing for parents, and distracting for students. Parents think in terms of pitfalls, pedophiles and dangers. But if their child has sex, I'm sure parents want the experience to be positive and safe. If their son turns out to be gay, surely parents want him to be happy - not alienated, secretive and suicidal. Given we cannot change our children's sexuality, the only thing we can help change is society's damaging attitudes towards gay men. And we should start by changing the law to treat young gay men the same as everyone else.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 16yearoldshavingsex; homosexualagenda; itsjustsex; promiscuity; putsomeiceonthat; sex; teensex
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To: Duke Nukum
Yep. Among others.
21 posted on 05/09/2003 2:47:35 PM PDT by jimkress
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To: jimkress
That article is a a bunch of junk. The same lefist agrugment as illegal aliens..don't have these laws because they create hardships on the lawbreakers. Duh?

Two words made up by homosexuals, gay and homophobia, should never be used by hetrosexuals.. That's their pr crap. I liked the fact that in a little town I lived in (worked for the police department) a woman about 21 enticed a teenage girl into some sexual acts with her not entirely consensual and she was charged with rape.

22 posted on 05/09/2003 2:53:39 PM PDT by maranatha
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To: presidio9
There is absolutely no sound basis for this different treatment of boys and girls

Of course there is. What lesbians does not involve the dirtiest area of the human body - the anus.

23 posted on 05/09/2003 2:53:56 PM PDT by Feldkurat_Katz (if they are gay, why are they always complaining?)
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To: Feldkurat_Katz
>>"There is absolutely no sound basis for this different treatment of boys and girls"

You mean they're the same?
Somebody needs to take an anatomy class

or something.
24 posted on 05/09/2003 2:58:15 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FreeperPost /Sarcasm = on /mode = max)
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To: Only1choice____Freedom
I don't mean they are the same. It's that stupid Aussie journalist.
25 posted on 05/09/2003 3:05:20 PM PDT by Feldkurat_Katz (if they are gay, why are they always complaining?)
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To: Feldkurat_Katz
Of course there is. What lesbians does not involve the dirtiest area of the human body - the anus.

The issue of disease transmission alone would seem to justify the distinction.

26 posted on 05/09/2003 3:57:33 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: Feldkurat_Katz
That's what I meant.
I can only assume since you are here, you know the difference.

As far as media?

That remains to be seen.
28 posted on 05/09/2003 4:50:47 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FreeperPost /Sarcasm = on /mode = max)
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To: Feldkurat_Katz
What lesbians does not involve the dirtiest area of the human body - the anus.

Isn't it fascinating that so many of the homsexual haters are anal retentive?

29 posted on 05/09/2003 5:40:04 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Jeff Gordon
LOL! A further look at the psychodemography of that group would be very enlightening. Courageous post but I think this thread is petering out. 8^)
30 posted on 05/09/2003 5:49:16 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Feldkurat_Katz
What lesbians does not involve the dirtiest area of the human body - the anus.

I think the mouth is considered the dirtiest part of the human body as far as bacteria is concerned. But I am not a doctor and maybe you are.

31 posted on 05/09/2003 5:52:08 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: irish guard
Homophagia.

Like Francophagia in place of Francophobia, since NO ONE is afraid of the French.
32 posted on 05/09/2003 5:53:57 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: Misterioso
I think the mouth is considered the dirtiest part of the human body as far as bacteria is concerned. But I am not a doctor and maybe you are.

Try this experiment. Have a friend take a swig out of your beer. Then have him crap on the bottle.

Now ask yourself, which way of "sharing" are you most comfortable with.

33 posted on 05/09/2003 5:56:22 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: presidio9
Author Adele Horin claims:   "...homophobia is the real reason..."

We are homo-nauseated, not homophobic.

--Boot Hill

34 posted on 05/09/2003 6:00:45 PM PDT by Boot Hill
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To: jimkress
deviant homosexual males = genus 'homo infectus', a subgrouping of the homo sapien species.
35 posted on 05/09/2003 6:04:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Boot Hill
There are two things I will never understand in the homosexual threads here at FR.

The first is the inability of homosexuals and their adherents to understand that for most men the homosexual act is abhorent.

The second is the inevitable slide into defenders of homosexuality alluding to their antagonists as homosexuals.

Interesting.

36 posted on 05/09/2003 6:17:45 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: freedumb2003
Homophagia.

I thought phage had to do with eating, like the deiphage of eucharist.
37 posted on 05/09/2003 6:39:40 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: jwalsh07
The second is the inevitable slide into defenders of homosexuality alluding to their antagonists as homosexuals

Looks like they subconsciously realize that portraying someone as a homosexual is a negative thing.

38 posted on 05/09/2003 6:42:20 PM PDT by Feldkurat_Katz (if they are gay, why are they always complaining?)
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To: jwalsh07
Gee. I never thought of it that way. How simple...thanks.
39 posted on 05/09/2003 6:43:53 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Misterioso
No problem. What did you decide?
40 posted on 05/09/2003 6:44:37 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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