Posted on 05/03/2003 12:39:06 PM PDT by moyden2000
Oklahoma and the tantalising Iraqi connection May 4 2003 By Roger Franklin
For the first time since the Alfred Murrah Building came down in Oklahoma City in 1995, the recent anniversary of the bombing that killed 168 people passed largely unnoticed in America. There were ceremonies, but the explosion's echo was hard to hear above the sound of Baghdad's toppling statues.
According to investigators, the case was closed with Timothy McVeigh's execution. He was a wacko, the authorised version insists, a right-wing loner. Oklahoma's loose ends have all been tied up; time to move on.
Except in an Oklahoma courtroom, where the families of the dead beg to differ. Last week lawyers representing 24 families of the dead attempted to persuade a dubious judge that McVeigh and his partner, Terry Nichols, were part of a much larger plot. Pick at the loose ends, they say, and the threads lead all the way to Iraq - even, perhaps, to September 11.
Judge Deborah Robinson gave the legal team more time to bolster its argument that McVeigh was working for Saddam Hussein. Yes, she said, a series of coincidences all point to Baghdad, but she couldn't begin to consider billions of dollars in damages on the strength of circumstantial conjecture. Bring me a smoking gun, she said.
Lawyers put a brave face on the ruling. All that was missing, they said, was documentary proof - Iraqi intelligence records of the sort that seem to be turning up almost every day.
For true believers, there is more than enough evidence already. As they see it, the trail begins seconds before the blast, when nine witnesses reported a brown pickup truck speeding from the scene with a man of Middle Eastern appearance at the wheel. Police looked for it until a patrolman radioed the news that he had just handcuffed a young, white male after a routine traffic stop. It was McVeigh, and his arrest ended inquiries into an Iraqi connection.
Except for Jayna Davis, then an Oklahoma City TV reporter. Eight witnesses told her of that pickup's rubber-burning departure. Despite investigators' warnings that Davis was wasting her time and theirs, she kept digging. Her sleuthing became the basis of the relatives' suit.
The dossier begins with the pickup's owner, whom Jayna identified as Hussain Al-Hussaini, a former Republican Guardsman and Iraqi immigrant. She also established that Hussaini's six-man workforce - all former Iraqi soldiers - didn't report to work on the day that McVeigh hired the truck used in the bombing.
Could they have helped mix the fertiliser and diesel fuel - a task the FBI says would have taken one man several days? At the cheap motel where McVeigh had stayed, the owner added weight to her suspicions: not only had he seen McVeigh entertaining Hussaini and other Middle Eastern visitors, they had all fussed with a yellow truck that dripped diesel fuel all over his parking lot.
Then there was "John Doe Number Two", the mysterious co-conspirator for whom the FBI issued an all-points bulletin, only to abandon the hunt several weeks later. John Doe, the G-men announced several weeks later, was actually Terry Nichols.
Davis was sceptical, not least because Doe's identikit picture bore only a slight resemblance to the man in custody but was a close match for Hussaini.
Although officials derided Davis as a crank, she kept ferreting out tantalising links. Nichols was unemployed, yet he flew several times to the Philippines, where he stayed in the same hotel as Ramzi Youssef, the convicted mastermind behind the first attempt to destroy New York's World Trade Centre in 1993 and the nephew of Khalid Mohammed, the al- Qaeda man who oversaw the September 11 attacks.
The relatives' lawyers argue that there is one more reason why the legal system should indulge their theorising. If it were to be explored, they say, the result might unite the Oklahoma bombing, September 11 and the Bush Administration's as-yet-unproven assertions that Saddam worked hand in glove with Osama bin Laden.
Their final link: Shortly before Mohammed Atta flew his hijacked plane into the Twin Towers, he and a fellow terrorist visited Oklahoma. Investigators aren't sure why, but they do know that he stayed in McVeigh's old motel. Could it be that someone in Iraq advised him that the motel had been a safe refuge in the past?
That's the theory, anyway. Now all the plaintiffs have to do is hope that, somewhere in Baghdad, the evidence they need emerges from the rubble.
MORE unsubstantiated rumors.
Note - VERY few of those who have actually a) reviewed the actual court testimony and b) read the book on McVeigh ("American Terrorist") will swallow such speculative 'stories'. Those who write those stories need to 'square' their stories with the facts as found in the evidence introduced during McVeigh and Nichols trials ...
... based on absolutely no proof, NO evidence, JUST the strength of conjecture.
Good. THAT should satisfy everybody ...
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And that is why McVeigh was willing to help the Iraqi's. Not only to avenge Ruby Ridge but also to help avenge the poor Iraqi soldiers he thought were also killed by the evil government.
Comprehensive fact-checking for the book "American Terrorist", the veritable mountain of evidence introduced against McVeigh at his trial, the phone records - calls to companies who sell explosive materials - the testimony and receipts for ammonium nitrate - all add up in my mind to the one answer that has been arrived at ...
Any 'act' that McVeigh would put on would have to 'square' with the facts, otherwise, it was just one big charade he was putting on. Day after day, week after week, no one could keep it straight and squaring with the facts - unless it was pretty d*mn close to the truth.
It may work in your mind that way, but *reality* is a far cry from a little mental conjuring on FR late in the afternoon ...
NEVER happened.
End of story.
I should have included the above comment in posting my link. I was giving Mears info on conspiracy theories.
Your comment, MORE unsubstantiated rumors
Is correct.
Same here! There's a lot of lying and coverup going on.
Fine, but using Logic, they don't contradict each other.
The common denominator for contact between those who McVeigh did business with was gun shows. Not a real hot-bed of anti-US activity for foreign nationals.
So because McVeigh went to gun shows, he therefore couldn't have also made contact with Iraqi agents? Sorry, that's just not logical. He can't talk to more than one type of person at the same time? silly
[gun shows] Not a real hot-bed of anti-US activity for foreign nationals.
They're not? How do you know? Been to a lot of gun shows have you? If you were an Iraqi agent, you wouldn't go to gun shows?
The *real* case made against McVeight and Nichols involved...
Yawn. NOBODY disagrees that McVeigh and Nichols were involved in OKC bombing, stop wasting your breath!
FIND for us some critical 'element' that was supplied by somebody else (group or individual) that McVeigh needed for his bomb and maybe, just MAYBE some linkage could be made to 'another group or groups'.
Right - and I believe that's what investigators are trying to do. I'm glad you concede that it's a possibility, that's all I asked. Best,
Uh, if true, that's tangible proof that McVeigh and Nichols were involved in the OKC bombing (which we all know)
But it doesn't tell us anything one way or the other regarding whether they had accomplices or who those accomplices were.
I'd actually like to know the truth, one way or the other, whatever it is. If McVeigh had unknown accomplices I want to know about it. If he and Nichols acted alone, I want to know that too. Either way, I just want the truth to come out.
You, on the other hand, seem to be actively rooting for one explanation (they acted alone) to be the truth. Why would you do that?
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