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Hard to believe they are changing the history of the Alamo to make the movie appeal to Mexican filmgoers.
1 posted on 05/02/2003 10:17:02 AM PDT by Gladwin
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"Gods & Generals" was just about the worst movie re-writing of history -- worse even than "The Alamo," "The Patriot," and "Pearl Harbor."


2 posted on 05/02/2003 10:24:29 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Gladwin
bump for history
3 posted on 05/02/2003 10:25:28 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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but longs to live under a Mexican democratic constitution.

Then he should have been fighting Santa Ana, who had overthrown the Mexican democratic constitution.

Never let them forget - Texas wasn't the only province of Mexico that rebelled against Santa Ana's coup, it was simply the only one to win.

4 posted on 05/02/2003 10:26:59 AM PDT by jdege
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Disney will give us a frightened wanderer in the person of one Billy Bob Thornton.

Billy Bob Thornton?
Someone in Disney has been hitting the juice awfully hard.

5 posted on 05/02/2003 10:31:03 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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Others, hailed in their day, have fared less well with the passage of time...

Cases in point: U.S. Grant betrayed a weakness for whiskey...

This left wing idiot typically doesn't know any history. A case in point: Grant's supposed drinking problem was a much bigger issue initially during the Civil War, than it was in History. Grant's performance in the field put a stop to stories of drunkeness.

"Find out what whiskey he drinks and send all of my generals a case, if it will get the same results". - Lincoln in reply to comments about General Grant's drinking problems

6 posted on 05/02/2003 10:35:47 AM PDT by Plutarch
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...Charles A. Lindbergh for the appeal of Naziism.

I doubt 'history' has discovered that the Nazis held any appeal for Lindbergh; the worst that can be said of him is that he didn't see anything in them worth going to war over (few did, isolationism was the majority position almost up to Pearl Harbor), and that he was profoundly bothered by the spiritual damage he feared a needless war would do to America.

8 posted on 05/02/2003 10:42:27 AM PDT by Grut
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¡Los bastardos de Hollywood!
9 posted on 05/02/2003 10:46:54 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Freedom is not Free - Support the Troops!)
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¡Los bastardos de Hollywood!
10 posted on 05/02/2003 10:49:31 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Freedom is not Free - Support the Troops!)
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To: Gladwin
This Texan, and his family, WON'T be seeing this revisionist piece of trash. Ditto for other Disney movies. Walt must be rolling in his grave (or freezer, if you believe that stuff).
11 posted on 05/02/2003 10:53:25 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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Gee, its funny that only patriotic heroes ever seem to get debunked. You'd think that heroes of the left would see something other than continued lionization from studios such as Disney.

Lets all hold our breath for the candid Disney movie about MLK's communist connections and womanizing.

12 posted on 05/02/2003 10:53:35 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Gladwin
The Alamo remains hallowed ground, the shrine of Texas liberty.

If it was so hallowed why have so many forgotten about it by letting every ILLEGAL mexican cross the border and trash our country?


15 posted on 05/02/2003 10:56:26 AM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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know what is missing in this crapola piece, the Texicans were over 56 % of the Texas fighting force at the Alamo
and made the choice to stay to defend the Alamo.

To this day,Mexico mexicans hate Texicans for that
history. We blue eyed Texans ,to this day, revere
and respect the Texicans .

Santa Ana killed,dismembered and set fire to the dead

Texans will never forget.
17 posted on 05/02/2003 11:06:07 AM PDT by cars for sale
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Maybe 5,000 patriotic Texicans ought to re-enact the battle by laying-siege to the set.
18 posted on 05/02/2003 11:07:39 AM PDT by paddles
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Oh, my history teacher has to be fuming about now. It's sad to think that for a few extra bucks, Disney is going to sell out the Alamo and it's brave fighters.

Disney is just rewriting History, because they haven't any creative juice left in them. Hacks.

20 posted on 05/02/2003 11:10:11 AM PDT by GovGirl
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Juan Seguin in the Disney script doesn't give a darn for Texas independence (horrors!) but longs to live under a Mexican democratic constitution.

Just the other night I was at a singer/songwriter competition in Dallas. The winner was an obvious, exuberant, funny as hell conservative from Oklahoma named Joe Tidwell who, in an admitted and shameles act of pandering, sang a stirring song about the Alamo. Unfortunately I can't find the lyrics or anything about Tidwell on the net.

Anyway, he made a point, both in his introduction and in the song itself, of the fact that ALL of those in the Alamo fought under the Mexican flag of the Constitution of 1824, representing the Republic destroyed by the vicious and puffed up dictator Santa Anna. He also took a swipe at the producers of this film, making a joke (that I didn't quite catch, so maybe it wasn't a joke) about the World Socialist Party being involved.

31 posted on 05/02/2003 12:29:37 PM PDT by Stultis
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"Controversial" does not translate to "box-office success." If the movie is bad as well as offensive we may have another Ishtar on our hands here...

Billy Bob Thornton?!??

32 posted on 05/02/2003 12:42:44 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Sounds like I'll have to pass on this one. Indeed, though, up to now, the arguement about David Crockett seems to be whether he died in the battle at the end of the seige or to the executiomer. My contention is that was always irrelevant. Just about anyone defending the Alamo had to realize their chances of survival weren't good. Therefore how they died doesn't detract at all from their sacrifice or the courage that went into that sacrifice.

The rest of this sounds like utter nonsense. As to slavery being banned in Mexico, I would argue that with the Supreme Leader for Life, El Presidente, The Magnificent Generalissimo Santa Ana, you have a nation of slaves. Such seems true for every nation ruled by a dictating butcher.

37 posted on 05/02/2003 2:20:29 PM PDT by stevem
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Juan Seguine (i may have mispelled this) was a real person who was in the Alamo before the Mexican attack, and led a group of Mexican allies of the Alamo defenders.
None of the defenders of the Alamo knew that Texas had declared its independence, which happened at the same time as the Alamo siege. The Alamo defenders were all fighting for essentially a reform program (the old Mexican republican constitution, which Santa Anna had trashed). Some of them, including Jim Bowie (but not Crocket) probably wanted to be able to own slaves in Texas. Bowie had been a corrupt slave trader before he went to Texas.
Crocket was a bit smarter than Travis and Bowie--he realized the Alamo couldn't be defended, and suggested a mobile strategy (rather than a hopeless static defense) against the Mexican army.
They should have listened to Crocket.
They were all brave men, but not all of their motives were pure.
39 posted on 05/02/2003 10:54:38 PM PDT by drhogan
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Santa Anna was a murderer and sociopath. Travis was a lawyer and a grand-stander, and Bowie had been a major con artist in Lousianna and Mississippi before going to Texas. Bowie made a habit out of selling land that he didn't own to multiple purchasers.
Houston was an alcoholic, but he was smart enough to defeat Santa Anna, even though Santa Anna had a real army and Houston had a bunch of volunteers. The Alamo defenders were very brave, but Houston had the sense to keep his men moving until he could take Santa Anna by surprise.
41 posted on 05/02/2003 11:06:49 PM PDT by drhogan
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they are changing the film to appeal to anti americanism.

I just saw today that kalifornia public schools areNOT allowed to say "founding fathers"! the can only say "framers" it hurts the feelings of girls. Vouchers are soooo important.
42 posted on 05/02/2003 11:09:41 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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