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Rumours thrive on images of sex and short skirts
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 04/23/03 | Richard Lloyd-Parry

Posted on 04/22/2003 2:19:36 PM PDT by Pokey78

HE MAY not have seen it himself, but Ayatollah Salih Altaiee has it on the best authority that terrible things are happening in the southern city of Basra.

“Sex pictures,” he says, in his home 350 miles away. “They have been distributed to young children and to women by the soldiers of Britain.”

And this is only the start. “The female soldiers wear dresses which are very short,” the Ayatollah continues. “My assistants have come from Basra to tell me this.

“These things go against Islam and against what we believe. The Governments of Britain and the United States must prevent them at once.”

These, and more damaging rumours, are doing the rounds on streets of southern Iraq. In Karbala, where a multitude of Shia Muslims have gathered for the pilgrimage to the tomb of the Imam Hussein, there are tales of travellers robbed at American checkpoints.

“The soldiers take the dollars,” says one young man, who has heard it from the acquaintance of a friend. “And they leave them with the Iraqi money, which is worthless.”

There is no point in asking for evidence: the rumours are believed.

These are early days for the new Iraq, and it is still too early to speak of a backlash, but after the shock of liberation, the looting of the first days and the struggle to restore water and electricity, there are signs that many Iraqis are running out of patience with their liberators.

The message from every Iraqi to whom I have spoken was summarised by a thin young man carrying a huge red flag emblazoned with a Koranic slogan. “We thank Mr Bush and Mr Blair very much for saving us from Saddam,” he said in front of the shrine. “But now we want Mr Bush and Mr Blair to get out.”

Karbala is a good testing ground for public opinion, for few cities in Iraq have more reason to be grateful to the coalition forces. In Basra and al-Nasiriyah, British and US Marines operate checkpoints and patrol the streets, but in their anxiety to avoid upsetting sensibilities in the holiest city of the Shia faith, in Karbala they have behaved with exemplary restraint.

The Iraqi forces gave up here without much of a fight and there was less bombing and looting than elsewhere. The pilgrimage has been almost incident-free.

But gratitude for the liberation has not translated into affection for the liberators. “Yes, yes, to Islam!” goes one of the favourite pilrimage chants. “No America! No Saddam!” The stories of seductively dressed female soldiers and the corruption of youth with smutty pictures are parodies, and many Iraqis know it, but there is a collective will to believe in smears that speaks of a deep dissatisfaction with Iraq’s occupied status.

“They had a goal when they came here, to get rid of Saddam,” Fatima Hassam, who walked to Karbala for two days with her mother and daughter, said. “But we cannot live under an occupation.”

Another pilgrim, Hassan Mohammed, said: “If Britain and America fail to understand this about the Iraqi people, then we will fight them. We will fight them with whatever we have. We will fight them with the wood from the trees.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraqifreedom
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1 posted on 04/22/2003 2:19:36 PM PDT by Pokey78
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HE MAY not have seen it himself, but Ayatollah Salih Altaiee has it on the best authority that terrible things are happening in the southern city of Basra.

This man needs to be walked through a few of those palaces around Baghdad if he wants to see decadence.

2 posted on 04/22/2003 2:21:43 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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Do these people do anything but whine?
3 posted on 04/22/2003 2:21:51 PM PDT by Mears
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Another pilgrim, Hassan Mohammed, said: “If Britain and America fail to understand this about the Iraqi people, then we will fight them. We will fight them with whatever we have. We will fight them with the wood from the trees.”

Much like their names, these people are a broken freaking record.

4 posted on 04/22/2003 2:22:55 PM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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"If Britain and America fail to understand this about the Iraqi people, then we will fight them. We will fight them with whatever we have. We will fight them with the wood from the trees."

Did he miss the last month?

5 posted on 04/22/2003 2:22:57 PM PDT by Lost Highway
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Another pilgrim, Hassan Mohammed, said: “If Britain and America fail to understand this about the Iraqi people, then we will fight them. We will fight them with whatever we have. We will fight them with the wood from the trees.”

Blah, blah, blah... Shut up before you get smacked! The endless empty blustering is wearing a little thin.

6 posted on 04/22/2003 2:23:03 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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There is no point in asking for evidence: the rumours are believed.

This is the way DEMONCRATS treat their constituents.

7 posted on 04/22/2003 2:23:15 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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"The stories of seductively dressed female soldiers and the corruption of youth with smutty pictures are parodies, and many Iraqis know it, but there is a collective will to believe in smears..."

But they'll have to face the HARD EVIDENCE of reams of porn and smut in the palaces of their former leaders that we just ousted.

8 posted on 04/22/2003 2:23:34 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun (U.N. = Weapon of mass corruption)
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The ayatolla oughta take a gander at Saddam's love shack. It might give him a heart attack....
9 posted on 04/22/2003 2:24:13 PM PDT by telebob
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And what was SH doing shooting heroin, raping and hoarding the kids UNICEF boxes in his bedroom!
10 posted on 04/22/2003 2:24:21 PM PDT by oceanperch (Support Our Troops)
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I'm at a loss for words, ecept to hope that the press is seeking these morons out on purpose.
11 posted on 04/22/2003 2:24:30 PM PDT by try phecta tom ((Harvey RULES. Paul not the rabbit)
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Bitch, bitch, bitch. You can sure tell the French have been there. Their ingratitude rubbed off.
12 posted on 04/22/2003 2:24:42 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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Damn! Scott Ritter returned to Iraq?
13 posted on 04/22/2003 2:25:40 PM PDT by Mark (Treason doeth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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SH should read SH's son
14 posted on 04/22/2003 2:25:59 PM PDT by oceanperch (Support Our Troops)
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We will fight them with the wood from the trees.

Yesterday we kidnap FARTUSI, now this(I only saw palm trees, ouch) I guess we better leave now(sarcasm)

15 posted on 04/22/2003 2:26:06 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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If any one ever doubted Armegeddon take long look at this pathetic area of the world.

My advice would be is to pray and believe, because these people are beyond repair and the LORD will need to finish the job and sort them out.

16 posted on 04/22/2003 2:26:34 PM PDT by chachacha
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To: Mears
And so the maneuvering for position and power begins. These folks have very short memories, it seems. We slay the monster of Saddam and get a short "thanks, now get out or we will fight you." ??? Amazing.
17 posted on 04/22/2003 2:27:30 PM PDT by toddst
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“The female soldiers wear dresses which are very short,”

Mini skirt camo-gear???? Time to put down the hash pipe there Shiek....

18 posted on 04/22/2003 2:30:40 PM PDT by BossLady (Propaganda.....melts in your mind.....not in your hand......)
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To: Mears
NO!!!
19 posted on 04/22/2003 2:31:37 PM PDT by Tahoe3002
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Fight them now or fight them later? Almost sounds that way.
20 posted on 04/22/2003 2:34:58 PM PDT by Ingtar
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