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Virus(SARS) can live 24 hours outside host, study finds
Globe and Mail (Toronto) | 4/22/03 | Carolyn Abraham

Posted on 04/22/2003 1:46:26 PM PDT by jerseygirl

Virus can live 24 hours outside host, study finds

By CAROLYN ABRAHAM MEDICAL REPORTER Tuesday, April 22, 2003

Doctors struggling to contain the SARS outbreak have laboured for more than a month under the notion that this insidious virus can live no more than a few hours outside a human host.

But disturbing new research has discovered otherwise.

Studies by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggest that, unlike most respiratory viruses medicine knows, the microbe behind SARS can survive up to 24 hours on inanimate objects, turning any surface into a possible point of transmission.

In response, doctors at Toronto's Mount Sinai Hospital spent the weekend swabbing doorknobs, counter tops, railings and the nooks and crannies of nursing stations to determine the prevalence of the SARS virus in the general hospital environment.

The results of tests to be conducted at Winnipeg's National Microbiology Laboratory might help explain how SARS continues to infect hospital staff, both in Canada and Hong Kong, despite their use of protective gear and general infection-control practices.

The effort is part of a larger study to be conducted with other Toronto-area hospitals, Health Canada and a three-member team from the Atlanta-based CDC.

The CDC team is to arrive today to help with investigations related to the city's outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome.

"The trouble is we haven't had a chance to stand back and look at all of these issues, with hundreds of other things going on," said Donald Low, Mount Sinai's chief microbiologist, who called the CDC findings about the longevity of the SARS virus "very bothersome news."

"This might possibly explain why we're seeing so much of this in health workers who have been using infection-control practices."

Dr. Low, Mount Sinai infection-control expert Allison McGeer -- who is recovering from her own battle with SARS -- and Andrew Simor, chief microbiologist at Sunnybrook and Women's College Health Sciences Centre, contacted the CDC for further insight as health workers continued to fall ill over the past week.

During a 1½-hour teleconference on Friday night, the doctors learned that the CDC experts had discovered the new coronavirus behind SARS could live for a full day on an inanimate surface.

"We were all very surprised," Dr. Simor said, explaining that respiratory viruses are known to live a maximum of five hours outside a human host -- even when contained in a droplet of a spit.

Bacteria, because of their tougher outer coats, are known to live for months on inanimate surfaces. But viruses, with their soft, fatty outer membranes, are not nearly as hearty. "They're pretty vulnerable to being washed off with alcohol," Dr. Low said.

As a result, Dr. Simor said, health workers may be infecting themselves with casual contacts in their environments. "Health workers are very careful when they are treating patients, or in the immediate area," he said. But transmission may not necessarily be occurring here.

A Mount Sinai anesthetist and an assistant who had been wearing gowns, goggles, masks and gloves, for example, contracted SARS after intubating an infected patient.

Dr. Low speculated that the oversight may have been as innocent as the hospital staff removing their gowns after removing their gloves, but then touching some inanimate object before washing their hands, and then touching it again afterward. Both staff members are recovering.

Similarly, a Mount Sinai nurse who treated SARS patients and then possibly exposed GO train passengers just as she was becoming sick with the disease herself, is not known to have breached any obvious protocol, Dr. Low said.

Dr. Simor said the SARS virus survival time is not likely "the whole story. But it's certainly a piece of the puzzle."

In other instances, he explained, it may in fact be that certain patients are "super-shedders" who have an uncanny ability to infect others with the virus.

For example, more than 15 Sunnybrook staff who were wearing protective gear are under investigation as possible SARS cases after a four-hour-long effort to intubate a SARS patient.

"It was a very difficult intubation, there were all sorts of aerosolizations of secretions," Dr. Simor said. "Someone's mask and goggles slipped in the process."

He also noted that the SARS caseload has grown steadily in recent weeks and health staff have been working "extra hard." But the joint study with the CDC, he said, should shed further light on how many of these health-worker infections can actually be attributed to fatigue and human error.

In the meantime, Dr. Low said, the CDC revelation is forcing health officials to rethink the rules of engagement in the SARS war and craft even tougher containment strategies, fearing health workers will otherwise continue to fall ill -- as they have in hard-hit Hong Kong and Singapore.

"We can't have health-care workers getting sick like this," Dr. Low said. "What are we going to do? Give them danger pay?"


TOPICS: Canada; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; donaldlow; intubation; longevity; sars; superspreader; toronto; virus
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"might help explain how SARS continues to infect hospital staff, both in Canada and Hong Kong, despite their use of protective gear and general infection-control practices"
1 posted on 04/22/2003 1:46:26 PM PDT by jerseygirl
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To: jerseygirl
This news is TRAGIC. This virus looks more and more like a man made virus from HELL.
2 posted on 04/22/2003 1:50:36 PM PDT by Uncle George
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To: jerseygirl
This virus is truly frightening.
3 posted on 04/22/2003 1:52:21 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Uncle George
I'm beginning to wonder. If not intended as a bioweapon, perhaps other research samples which were inadvertently released.
4 posted on 04/22/2003 1:54:10 PM PDT by jerseygirl
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< tinfoil>I'm wondering if Ol China wasn't looking at playing around with a bit of population control? Got out of hand?< /tinfoil>
5 posted on 04/22/2003 2:08:52 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Dog Gone
During a 1½-hour teleconference on Friday night, the doctors learned that the CDC experts had discovered the new coronavirus behind SARS could live for a full day on an inanimate surface.

It's even worse, it has a relatively long life span outside the host.

6 posted on 04/22/2003 2:10:29 PM PDT by xJones
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To: xJones
I wonder how long the virus could float downstream in a river like the Ganges or the Yangtze, rivers that serve as bathtubs, washing machines, and drinking fountains.
7 posted on 04/22/2003 2:16:42 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: jerseygirl
How long does the common cold virus live?
8 posted on 04/22/2003 2:17:06 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: valkyrieanne
Two to four hours, according to other reports posted here.
9 posted on 04/22/2003 2:19:08 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Uncle George
This virus looks more and more like a man made virus from HELL.

You said what many have been thinking as this situation has gone from bad to horrible. Sure looks like a weapon to me. Wonder who developed and released it?

10 posted on 04/22/2003 2:21:18 PM PDT by toddst
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To: jerseygirl
Several things strike me about SARS:
  1. It has a high death rate. In Hong Kong, Canada, and other countries, we're seeing death rates of around 18% (when you look at deaths versus recoveries, excluding people still sick). This is in the same league as smallpox
  2. Black Plague, while having a higher death rate (50%) was spread by rats and fleas, which makes it a non-issue in the US outside of certain high-poverty areas (and it's treatable by modern antibiotics). Smallpox is not contagious in it's initial stages, and the ill person will be bedridden by the time the contagious stage is reached, making isolation easy. SARS is an airborne disease, and seems highly communicatable
  3. SARS mutates, making a vaccine difficult to produce. It also means that those that survive one SARS illness, can get sick AGAIN a few months later from a mutated version (much like getting a cold does not immunize us from colds)
The combination of these factors has the potential to be very ugly. You would have difficulty bioengineering an uglier bug if you tried
11 posted on 04/22/2003 2:22:20 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Heavily armed, easily bored, and off my medication)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Regarding #3, one thing that might be comforting is that as SARS keeps evolving, its lethality will go down. At least thats what's been posted so far.
12 posted on 04/22/2003 2:23:53 PM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: jerseygirl
Maybe this deserves it's own thread but ...

Three More SARS Cases Reported In Area (PA & NJ)

Philadelphia Man Had Visited Asia POSTED: 4:35 p.m. EDT April 22, 2003 NBC 10 has learned that health officials believe there may be three new suspected cases of SARS in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. The Philadelphia Health Department says a Philadelphia man who recently returned from a trip to Asia has a suspected case of SARS. Officials said the man never went back to work once he returned from the trip and was never in the hospital. There have also been two suspected cases in New Jersey. One involves a 68-year old woman who traveled to Asia and was hospitalized in China. She has since recovered and is back in New Jersey. The other case is in North Jersey and involves a Seton Hall University student. The student was visited by a family member who is suspected of also having SARS, officials said. The student was never hospitalized and is doing well.

13 posted on 04/22/2003 2:28:24 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Let's Roll)
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To: SauronOfMordor
You would have difficulty bioengineering an uglier bug if you tried

Given the similarity with bovine, pig and avian forms of Coronavirus, would this also pose a threat to domesiticated farm animals?

Not only get the farm sick, but his livestock as well.

14 posted on 04/22/2003 2:31:07 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: valkyrieanne
What I found was about 5 hours
15 posted on 04/22/2003 2:31:16 PM PDT by jerseygirl
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To: Dog Gone
Could the virus be killed by adding something like chlorine to the rivers?
16 posted on 04/22/2003 2:32:34 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: 11th_VA
The other case is in North Jersey and involves a Seton Hall University student. The student was visited by a family member who is suspected of also having SARS, officials said. The student was never hospitalized and is doing well.

Confirms the reports that young people do well with the disease.

17 posted on 04/22/2003 2:34:01 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: SauronOfMordor
Yes, very troubling. (Did you read about the link with faulty plumbing- apparently the lines to fresh water were contaminated by sewage lines- and one person with SARS apparently spread it to many in the same apartment complex?0
18 posted on 04/22/2003 2:34:29 PM PDT by jerseygirl
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To: CathyRyan; Mother Abigail; Dog Gone; Petronski; per loin; riri; flutters; Judith Anne; ...
Ping.
19 posted on 04/22/2003 2:35:04 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: jerseygirl
can live 24 hours outside host, study finds

Sounds like an Ex-Girlfriend of mine.......
20 posted on 04/22/2003 2:35:55 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Arby's says no more Horsey Sauce for Scott Ritter !!!!)
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