We are soon going to have to change the ending of or national anthem. The last word is an insult to Native Americans.
1 posted on
04/17/2003 11:59:44 AM PDT by
presidio9
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To: presidio9
I'm so dang sick of this story. I wish Butch would have the smarts to read the law instead of making a mountain out of a mole hill!!! This is blatant discrimination that she is committing and I hope the committee tells her NO! Sounds like she'd do anything for a few votes.
2 posted on
04/17/2003 12:06:41 PM PDT by
hsmomx3
(Always a FR fan!)
To: presidio9
I forgot to ask. What do we know about this woman other than she served our country?
3 posted on
04/17/2003 12:07:49 PM PDT by
hsmomx3
(Always a FR fan!)
To: presidio9
\Squaw\, n. [Massachusetts Indian squa, eshqua; Narragansett squ[^a]ws; Delaware ochqueu, and khqueu; used also in compound words (as the names of animals) in the sense of female.] A female; a woman; -- in the language of Indian tribes of the Algonquin family, correlative of sannupNewer definitions are listed as offensive, but the original seems pretty straight-forward...
4 posted on
04/17/2003 12:07:52 PM PDT by
trebb
To: presidio9
As a veteran, I don't think there is anything wrong with naming something after PFC.Piestewa. Its a easy and appropriate thing to do, as she seems to have been an good person, and she died in action. A better person than Klintoon could very dream of being.
5 posted on
04/17/2003 12:09:13 PM PDT by
Lockbar
To: presidio9
Q: Since "squaw" has been used for years, how can you say it's an insult? A: If it were not, we would use it in conversation. If it were not, someone by now would have used it in reference to Piestewa or to other Native American women. That will never happen.
Insulting? No, simply out of date. Still, it's a silly reason to rename a landmark.
6 posted on
04/17/2003 12:11:35 PM PDT by
FourPeas
(Iran is not a simple sentence.)
To: presidio9
This irritating question and answer format is why I refuse to read Montini's crap any more. Geesh, at least he could make an effort to look for a straw man, rather than just creating one out of whole cloth.
At least Royko had a made-up character to knock down, "Slats Grobnik".
7 posted on
04/17/2003 12:12:16 PM PDT by
Cyber Liberty
(© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
To: presidio9
Why not just name it after the reason why some people want it changed?
We Don't Want To Offend Anyone So We Must Find A Politically Correct Solution Mountain
8 posted on
04/17/2003 12:15:22 PM PDT by
Luna
(Evil will not triumph...God is at the helm)
To: presidio9
Above all, we need to make sure that the ethnic identity of every single person in the news--living or dead--is accurately identified and reported.
It is important that ethnic minorities be represented fairly in our news and popular culture. More important than anything, in fact.
9 posted on
04/17/2003 12:15:28 PM PDT by
Illbay
To: presidio9
So far as we know, Army Pfc. Piestewa is the first Native American servicewoman to die in combat.I find this hard to believe, considering all the prior wars.
10 posted on
04/17/2003 12:18:31 PM PDT by
aimhigh
To: presidio9
PLAY BALL!
14 posted on
04/17/2003 12:22:49 PM PDT by
adam_az
To: presidio9
I'm not from Arizona, so I don't have a dog in this particular fight.
However, I'm generally against the practice of renaming significant landmarks, etc. Its a practice too easily abused by revisionists and seems to be a favored tactic of Marxists anxious to erase our heritage & shove their orthodoxy down the public's throat.
I'm still stewing over the SF city counsel renaming 150 year old Army street Cesar Chavez Blvd.
Obviously something should be done to honor Ms Piestewa in a public way, as with all our honored dead. But they should consider another way.
15 posted on
04/17/2003 12:26:06 PM PDT by
skeeter
(Fac ut vivas)
To: presidio9
Changing it from 'Squaw Peak' is offensive to me... It is erasing my culture, and quitre frankly me, and my Squaw, are offended ;0)
17 posted on
04/17/2003 12:32:56 PM PDT by
Chad Fairbanks
(Some days, it's just not worth gnawing through the straps...)
To: presidio9
Some gave a little,..some gave it all..
She has a prould name
18 posted on
04/17/2003 12:34:13 PM PDT by
teokee
To: presidio9
Why is "young woman" in Massachusett offensive?
20 posted on
04/17/2003 12:37:17 PM PDT by
Redcloak
(All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
To: presidio9
These PC idiots have been looking for an excuse to rename Squaw peak for years. But it's not just a mountian inside the Phoenix area. It's the name of a freeway. It's the name of countless other things, which derive their original name by being in the vicinity of the mountian.
Besides that, it costs money to change all the signs, and the state is broke right now.
And if its that important to name something after this girl, why is it THIS mountian that has to be renamed? Are they calling this soldier a "squaw"? I'd be offended if I were her family.
21 posted on
04/17/2003 12:40:33 PM PDT by
narby
(Fox News = America's News Network)
To: presidio9
Naming a Peak after her would be a good thing in my mind. Whether or not its this one, I don't care.
27 posted on
04/17/2003 12:48:19 PM PDT by
Arkinsaw
To: presidio9
Still, if the state Board of Geographic and Historic Names (which meets today) says that its rules require us to wait five years after a person's death to change the name, why not wait? A: We could, but why?
? Is this Montini character extremely dense? If federal law prohibits renaming landmarks for five years after someone's death, then (a) presumably the law was created for a reason; (b) it is an enforceable law; and (c) if you disagree with the law, get it changed.
The circumstances certainly don't, however, make this some kind of emergency meriting ignoring law. This chomps my bit. I live in Arizona. I am partially Native American. I have no problem with "Squaw" Peak, but if it's bothering people, changing the name is no big deal to me. I kind of like the ring of Piestewa Peak. I can see it out my office window right now rising above the valley.
What really irritates me is that renaming the mountain for Ms. Piestewa is something most people could embrace - but not like this. If we're going to throw the rule of law out the window to simply change a name that's been there for generations a couple of years sooner . . . then this is all about politics and agenda. Trying to divide people. That's not the purpose of honoring someone like Ms. Piestewa. Our government ignoring a perfectly reasonable law to suit a partisan agenda demeans and insults what Ms. Piestewa died for.
28 posted on
04/17/2003 12:48:51 PM PDT by
hoyaloya
To: presidio9
Why not name it after one the the Arizona soldiers that either died in Viet Nam or was spit on and called a baby killer when he returned?
To: presidio9
Wouldn't it be a bigger offense to name Squaw Peak after her? If it really is considered a slur, then why disgrace her memory that way? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to name another landmark after her?
I guess the politics of victimology doesn't have to be logical. /sarcasm
42 posted on
04/17/2003 1:56:51 PM PDT by
anymouse
To: presidio9
The "Gov" has been told NO!. It is illegal and will not be done. The man in charge cannot be fired for at least 2 more years so the politically correct crowd can't get to him. BTW the word "Squaw" originaly refered to a married Indian woman. It was not a derisive appelation. Only the PC crowd sees it that way.
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